Thread: “My opinion: central crop circle code cracked at 5th ICCRA meeting”

Get real, that has to be the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

Since the time I’ve posted this thread on several messageboards, it’s very interesting to notice the pattern my “debunkers” are following so far: none of them dare challenge me on the facts. Nor do they dare even mention any specific ideas or specific facts from my crop circle essay, or WHY they disagree with those specific ideas. Those who express an “opinion” against David Icke or Jim Marrs on these threads have also followed the same pattern.

Are they government-hired disinfo agents? Are they ignorant? Or are they just lazy writers with a valid opinion, who have actually found specific examples of facts that I have gotten wrong, and/or have read my whole essay and have genuine, informed differences of opinion with specific elements of my theory, but still somehow think it’s OK to express these opinions publicly without bothering to explain WHY they have that “opinion?”

Here’s several examples from this thread:

Originally Posted by Longinus

Lost interest when you mentioned Icke :/

Originally Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER

Scatterdome,in my opinion, that is a looney idea.
Sorry.

Originally Posted by macdaddy

i think they are all hoaxes of forms of artistic vandalism.we have been decotating the land for eons,nazca lines,easter island etc.now if they where gaint holograms then i would scratch my head.at the moment i'm scratching at the door to be let out.

Originally Posted by Wodan

I like David Icke. He may be a loony, but he is a charismatic loony.

Originally Posted by macdaddy

i do too,i wouldn't dismiss all he says,maybe the bit about reptillians is a bit too far-out for me.

Originally Posted by B-LeaVe

Way to make me lose a little bit of my belief in the nwo theory.

Originally Posted by cricket

Get real, that has to be the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

Due to the brevity of all of these posts “disagreeing” with my findings, it is difficult to determine which ones are from hired disinfo agents, which ones are just from ignorant people who haven’t actually read the essay containing my theory ( www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm ), and which ones (if any) are from people who actually HAVE formed an INFORMED opinion about my theory by actually reading the whole essay, but after all that reading, somehow didn’t think it was important to provide any specific examples of what they found so objectionable about my theory, when expressing an “opinion” against it publicly. From this lot, who is who? I say it doesn’t matter. Some of them are undoubtedly disinfo agents, while others may fall into the latter categories. But, they all end up serving the same function: they create the illusion of a “popular consensus” against the person they appear to “disagree” with, without providing any specifics whatsoever.

This thread is an update of my point of view since I returned from the ICCRA conference. The bulk of evidence that supports my point of view on crop circles is found in my online essay ( www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) which details my crop circle decoding, and details the evidence that the circlemakers represent a spiritual force who are directly opposing the New World Order by revealing important suppressed information to the masses via crop circles.

An analogy: this thread is like a trailer to a movie, or maybe the first 5 minutes of a movie, with the movie in this analogy being my actual crop circle essay.

No one with a brain would let a movie review influence their decision on whether or not to see a movie, if they knew that the reviewer had not actually seen the movie, but had only seen the trailer or a brief snippet. Also, most people would not let a movie review influence their decision to see a movie if the review provided no specifics—unless the review came from a friend whose judgment they already trust. (Without specifics, how would you know the reviewer even saw the movie, unless you personally knew and trusted the reviewer?)

That being said, I now put forth a challenge to those on this forum who have so far expressed an “opinion” against David Icke, and/or an “opinion” that appears to “disagree” with my theory- a theory that has been laid out in great detail in my essay.

To those who appear to disagree with my theory:

After reading my entire essay on crop circles at www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm, what is a SPECIFIC example of something from my essay that you disagree with, and what is the SPECIFIC reason you disagree with it?

And/or: have you found any SPECIFIC examples of facts that I got wrong, and if so, can you provide can you provide links to the example(s)?

To those who appear to disagree with David Icke:

After reading an entire David Icke book (any from the last 11 years) what is a SPECIFIC example of something from his book that you disagree with, and what is the SPECIFIC reason you disagree with it?

And/or: have you found any SPECIFIC examples of facts that David Icke has gotten wrong, and if so, can you provide links to the example(s)?

Before responding, I have a warning to disinfo agents of all kinds: the government-hired hired type, the “merely ignorant” type, and the “no details necessary” type:

I have gotten very good getting disinfo agents to expose themselves with their own words. You may want to read the following links in their entirety before you make the same mistakes these guys did:

On David Icke’s forum, I exposed two disinfo agents named “masonfree party” and “eternal spirit” starting at page 19 of a thread called “crop circles: 95% military, 5% hoax, 0% aliens,” started by “masonfree party.” Link to page 19:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread....022&page=19

On the main thread I started at unexplained-mysteries.com, I exposed several of them:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=126878

To date, on all of these messageboards, none of my “debunkers” have been able to follow through on my challenge- to discuss actual specifics from my theory or David Icke and Jim Marrs’ theories, and why they specifically disagree.

On that note, for the next post, I will now directly address a couple of the “dissenting viewpoints” here:

Originally Posted by bart5050

If they were ancesters trying to send messages why use coded symbols nobody understands. Make letters and spell it.

Symbols, like music, are a universal language that transcends regional barriers, unlike “making letters and spelling it.”

Furthermore, many people DO understand and have been actively decoding crop circles and making the decoding public, such as myself.

“bart5050” has just revealed that he didn’t actually read my essay before posting his “opinions.” Had he read my essay, he’d know he was asking a question that I’ve already answered. The same goes for his second post, thought I will respond to a few of his questions anyway:

Originally Posted by bart5050

So, did they learn this cryptic code after death and forget their native language?

Yes, I think many of them probably learned the code after death, and no, they didn’t forget their native language.

Originally Posted by bart5050

I think there is a mystery associated with some crop circles since there are references dating back 500 years. And the hoaxers got their inspiration from an original.

I do actually agree with the above pair of sentences.

Crop circles show up in Native American legends, such as “The Magic Circle In The Prairie” legend documented by Henry Schoolcraft. Furthermore, reports on the crop circle phenomenon can be found as early as the seventeenth century; for example, Robert Plot began to study crop circles, and release reports on his studies, in 1680.

Originally Posted by bart5050

However the solution you propose makes little sense. So a group got together and debated up a solution that pleased them?

The solution I propose makes a lot more sense to people who have actually read the details supporting my solution: my essay at www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm.

As for the “group consensus”- at this point, I should make it clearer how much of what I am writing here comes from the group understanding I perceived at the 5th annual ICCRA meeting, and how much of it is a statement of my own personal viewpoint on the subject.

At the 5th annual ICCRA meeting, I observed that an understanding was reached organically among the majority of researchers attending, as a result of the combined effect of the new information in this year’s presentations, and the conversations between attendees. While this happened to a lesser degree at previous meetings, with each year drawing attendees closer together in understanding, it was this year’s meeting where a very strong convergence occurred.

While not everybody in the group agrees with everybody else’s specific points of view on crop circles, this is actually a source of our strength; the ICCRA embraces different perspectives, recognizing that it takes all types of viewpoints to get a good “3D image.” This year in particular, I observed that a majority of attendees seemed to come to realize over the weekend that an intelligent community of spirits working with nature forces- most likely the spirits of our human ancestors- are most likely the culprits behind the crop circle phenomenon, rather than extraterrestrials.

Also, we were all shown through hard data that crop circles are frequently appearing in straight lines, and consistently appearing next to ancient sacred sites such as Indian mounds. Many of us at the conference realized that these are indeed ley lines, with the strongest example being an alignment of 6 crop formations and 2 Indian mounds, stretching from Miamisburg Mound in Miamisburg, OH to a crop formation in Oakvale, WV, which matches a ley line mapped out by geomancer Peter Champoux before the crop circles even appeared.

In my writings here, I am writing from my personal viewpoint, which is highly influenced by the group understanding described above.

It was my own decision to publicly state my updated viewpoints on crop circles, in the same posts where I write about the new group understanding I perceived at the ICCRA meeting. My independent decision, in my view, reflects what makes this group different from most organized groups of crop circle researchers- we are truly an association of independent researchers.

It should be noted that some members of the ICCRA, after discovering my recent postings on the internet announcing that we had “cracked the code,” were initially somewhat upset that I hadn’t consulted the group in this case- and understandably so, as it is a very bold and controversial claim to publicly make, and I was highlighting my affiliation with the group while making this claim and other controversial statements.

I arrived at many specific new viewpoints after I left the meeting, so many in the group were not yet aware of some of the things I had discovered since the meeting, until they found this thread on the internet.

I had gone ahead with my gut instinct to post these claims right away, as I knew that not all in the group may yet understand the reality of the reptilian-steered New World Order agenda as well as myself, and thus may not have understood my “shamanic” or “spiritual” reasoning in presenting these new ideas to the public in such an odd way, and in doing it so soon after my return from the meeting. Had I consulted first, those in the group who have not yet personally studied the subject of the New World Order (as explained by David Icke) may have asked me to tone it down, whereas I knew I needed both the spiritual/emotional power of the Thunderbird Wheel (as a powerful ancient symbol of the “Great Horned Serpent’s” nemesis) and the well-earned reputability of the ICCRA name (a group that has publicly released a great number of excellent, factually accurate and scientifically sound crop circle reports) to properly convey my new discoveries and newly enhanced opinions about crop circles to the public in the most powerful way possible. Thus, I went full-speed ahead with my claim, without any consultation.

One more post I’ll address, as a footnote:

Originally Posted by CaptainScarlet

Obvious not you cuz this thread is everywhere in the web.Think you must quote the argument.

Originally Posted by kirin-rex

Nice find, Captain Scarlet!

What are you two implying here? That I did not personally post the post that started this thread, just because I used the same text to start the thread on several other messageboards? Perhaps I misunderstand what you meant…

Just to clear things up: Yes, I used the same text to start this thread that I used on several other messageboards, because there was no point in rewriting it for each forum. The info I want to convey here is the same I want to convey on the other forums, so I know that there is nothing wrong with a little copy/paste, when something I have posted on one forum is the perfect block of text to use for discussion of the same subject on another.

However, I will personally respond to some of the responses on this thread, if a response is worthwhile for one reason or another.

On that note: FYI, my next few informational posts on this forum will be mostly repeats of text I have already written on other messageboards.

This title was released on June 24, 2008:

For those who don't know, I'd like to point out that Jim Marrs and David Icke are basically running on parallel tracks; the main difference is that Jim Marrs carefully avoids making public statements about belief in reptilians, while he subtly “passes the baton” to David Icke at the end of “Rule By Secrecy” by stating what Icke thinks and how it may fit neatly into his (Marrs’) findings.

This means that Jim Marrs’ books are the perfect introduction to the reality of the New World Order, for readers who are ready for some real answers to explain our planet’s rampant corruption, but aren’t ready to read about the reptilians.

In 2003, Jim Marrs gave a presentation that followed the same basic framework as “Rule By Secrecy.” At the end of his lecture, he opens up a question-and-answer session with the audience. In that segment, the following dialogue occurs between 1:55:00 and 1:56:31:

MAN WITH QUESTION: Hi, Jim. David Icke had a big sold-out conference in London recently, talking about exactly the same subjects. And he also spent a bit of time on the evidence for reptilian-oriented control of the top of this native pyramid, if you like. What sort of input are you getting on the same subject?”

JIM MARRS: It’s interesting, because when you follow the evidence, you just kind of get there. But let me tell you something- I met David Icke, and I really… I kind of like David. And it’s interesting, because I wasn’t even aware of him until the last moment writing Rule By Secrecy, and yet we were both following the evidence and we were both running pretty parallel. The big difference is this: along with my newspaper background, I also augmented my low reporter’s pay by working and dabbling in public relations and advertising. And I know enough about public relations that I don’t believe I’m going to really win friends and influence a lot of people by publicly calling the Queen Mother of England a 200-year old reptilian cannibal. (audience laughter and clapping) It’s not to be saying it’s not true, It’s just I’m saying… (pauses for more audience laughter) I’m just saying: I’m not saying that! (laughs.)

Here's a link to a direct download of the lecture, from my website:
http://www.scatterdome.com/Jim Marrs - 2003 lecture.avi

There were a few ideas mentioned in my initial post which were very simplified, but definitely need further elaboration. For this post, I’ll elaborate on the subject of the Native American Thunderbird legend that was used by the circlemakers, which will give some insight into how the legend relates to one of the over-arching "theme" messages of the crop circle phenomenon.

Firstly: the bulk of crop circles that Jeff Wilson and most of the other ICCRA members have studied, eventually resulting in the discovery of the theme of the symbolism of the Thunderbird legend and the Four Winds, were North American crop circles.

I think it is very likely that around the world, the circlemakers are probably using the symbolism of ancient legends specific to the region in which they create the crop circles. For example, I think that in Great Britain, there is a good chance that many of the genuine crop formations will turn out have an interconnected symbolism that reflects a specific ancient Druid legend- probably a legend relating to light vs. darkness, day vs. night, etc., and probably similar to the specific “day vs. night” Thunderbird legend used by the circlemakers in North America.

Secondly: the full explanation of how the Thunderbird symbolism was discovered in North American crop circles would best be left to Jeff Wilson, the man who initially studied the connection, discovered the depth of that legends’ connection to North American crop circles, and communicated the theory to the public.

Within a few days (hopefully) I will be posting a video of Jeff’s “Return Of The Thunderbirds” presentation from the 5th Annual ICCRA conference; this will be the best full explanation, and far superior to what I could convey on a messageboard.

For now, here’s several excerpts from websites that cover various Native American legends of the Thunderbirds. I have highlighted key phrases and passages in boldface, to make it easier to see how it all fits in with the ideas I expressed in my first post on this thread.

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From: http://www.tcinternet.net/users/cbailey/RA.html:

The Horned Serpent


The Horned Serpent was a spirit being connected to curing, medicine, and mythology. It was a powerful underground manitou that was the guardian spirit of many Native Americans and liked to reside in rocks near water. Frances Densmore describes a shaman’s curing vision in which he turned into a snake with horns and cured people with an illness.

Thunderbirds


The thunderbird was one of the most well known, oldest, and widespread spirit beings to be represented on rock and on clothing. The Algonkians describe the thunderbird as being capable of transformation into a man, able to cause lightning, thunder, and wind, and as the nemesis of the Great Horned Serpent of the underworld. The thunderbird petroglyph symbol has been found across Canada and the United States.

In describing the Jeffers Petroglyphs site, Gordon Lothson (1976) wrote that: "Thunderbird figures appear throughout the site. Five subclasses include obvious thunderbirds, stylized thunderbirds, birds in flight represented by crosses, thunderbirds with attached bison horns, and one thunderbird with the life-line heart motif." Lothson counted 118 thunderbird figures at Jeffers, comprising almost 8 percent of the total petroglyphs of the sample analyzed.

In 1866, Rev. Gideon H. Pond of Bloomington, Minnesota, wrote that: "The lightning . . . is to the Dakota simply the tonwan of a winged monster, who lives and flies through the heavens shielded by thick clouds from mortal vision. By some of the wakan-men [shamen], it is said that there are four varieties of the form of their external manifestation. In essence, however, they are but one. One of the varieties is black, with a long beak, and has four joints in his wing." It seems likely that the petroglyph illustrated above is a representation of this form of the Dakota thunderbird or Wakinyan (flyer). Pond wrote that: "Lightning emanates from this flyer, and the thunder is the sound of his voice. This is the universal belief.

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From: http://www.shannonthunderbird.com/tribal_beliefs.htm:


Thunderbird controlled the weather, living in nests of stone on high mountaintops constantly shrouded in clouds. Thunderbirds were particularly sought as guardian spirits because of their power. The mortal enemy of Thunderbird was the Great Serpent who lived below the waters, and Mishipisu, a large, horned water panther. Thunderbird's lightening bolts were used to try and tame them.


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From: http://web.nicc.edu/Files/Market/mar...sternpress.pdf:

The thunderbird was one of the most well known, oldest, and wide-
spread spirit beings to be represented on rock and on clothing. The
Algonkians describe the thunderbird as being capable of transfor-
mation into a man, able to cause lightning, thunder, and wind, and
as the nemesis of the Great Horned Serpent of the underworld. The
thunderbird petroglyph symbol has been found across Canada and
the United States.

From: http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/200...r/SerpentMound/:

THE SUN

Romain has concluded, based on a thorough study of Native American architecture and symbolism throughout North America, that square earthworks were meant to represent the sky — particularly, the four "corners" of the sky, what we understand as the four cardinal directions: north, south, east and west, and the four winds associated with these directions. More specifically, square earthworks were associated with the sun in the sky, and were typically oriented to the summer and winter solstice sunrises. This "square cosmology" was even reproduced in the arrangement of the living spaces of some cultures, who arranged their living quarters in a square called the "square ground", in the center of which sat the "sacred fire" that symbolized the sun. "Important to the concept of the symbolism of the square grounds was the sacred fire. Appropriately enough, this fire was located in the middle of the square ground. Throughout the southeast, fire was considered to be an earthly representative of the sun.... The concept of a sacred fire, identified with the sun, and fed with four logs oriented to the four cardinal points, thus forming a cross is the most widespread and basic ceremonial concept in the southeast."6 In native American cosmology, the sky was the home of the great sun god, who ruled the sky and the four winds of heaven, and was thus likely the greatest god of their pantheon. Its symbology was the most uniform and widespread to be found throughout ancient America. "The symbolic meanings of the cross, the square, and the bent-arm cross were the same for historic Indians of the Southeast, the prehistoric Mississippians, and the Hopewell: namely, symbols of the sky, the four world quarters, the four cardinal directions, and the four winds.”

Below: A Cherokee stone carving of the legendary Great Horned Serpent known as "Uktena." The Great Serpent Mound also once had projections on either side of its head which some believe were intended to represent horns. Image courtesy Serpent Mound Mysteries.


SERPENT MOUND MYTHOLOGY

The Great Serpent Mound, then, was closely associated with the moon in the minds of the ancient Hopewell, its manifold curves clearly delineating the moon's habitual haunts in the night sky. As such, it clearly fits in with the Hopewell's obsession with sacred geometry, astronomy, and architecture. Yet, some questions remain. Why choose the form of a serpent to symbolize the underworld? And why is the serpent shown apparently swallowing the sun? Romain believes that the serpent may be representative of the "Great Horned Serpent of the Underworld" of Native American myth and legend, which also attacks and swallows the sun.

The Serpent Mound represents the struggle between the Great Horned Serpent of the underworld and the sun, with the sun represented by the oval embankment.... As to why this mythological conflict might be important enough for the Mound Builders to go to the trouble of building the Serpent Mound, we can speculate that the serpent effigy symbolized the dark forces which would include the moon, night, winter, darkness, and death; while the oval represented the sun, daytime, summer, light, and life. Notably, the summer solstice sunset alignment suggests a balance between these two opposing cosmic forces. In this scenario, we can further speculate that perhaps the Mound Builders celebrated world renewal ceremonies at the site, in order to help strengthen the powers of the upperworld in the continuing struggle against the forces of the underworld. In this way, the Serpent Mound builders would have been able to exercise some control over the forces that ruled their universe and affected their lives.... What we see in the Serpent Mound is yet another iteration of a theme that has fascinated humanity since the beginning — that is, the eternal conflict between the opposite forces of light and dark, good and evil, life and death.

The Great Serpent Mound, then, was likely the setting for an annual ritual wherein the ancient Hopewell (and possibly the Fort Ancient peoples) regularly reenacted their most important annual ceremony in order to maintain a harmonic balance between heaven and earth and ensure the continued fertility of the land. By using the symbol of the serpent, the Hopewell were apparently attempting to sympathetically control the powers of the underworld, of night, darkness, winter, and death, by creating an symbolic image of them that was more or less under their control. In their worldview, their annual recognition of the powers of the underworld and their ability to replace the light with darkness, and the summer with winter, was absolutely necessary to maintain harmony with the cosmos and ensure that the light, summer, and life would return again the next year. Failure to do so would, in their worldview, possibly lead to their total destruction and, perhaps, that of their entire world.

Such beliefs were common throughout the ancient world, as ancient man attempted to integrate himself in closely with his environment. In ancient North America, the forces of darkness were typically symbolized by serpents, or "water spirits", whereas the forces of light were typically represented by the Thunderbird. This indicates that the Native American worldview was essentially dualistic in nature. Light and darkness, summer and winter, Thunderbird and serpent, such concepts were central to the Native American worldview. But one question remains. Who were the mysterious Hopewell, and why were they so much more advanced than their neighbors?

As we saw in Part I, the Serpent Mound was built on a prominent clifftop in an area that is important and unusual in several respects. Moreover, the amount of time, energy, and expertise required to build the mound, as well as the important information it apparently conveyed, tends to lead to the conclusion that the Great Serpent Mound was one of the greatest ceremonial centers of the Hopewell, and of ancient America.

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From: www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Summer/Giants/


This engraved image from Spiro Mound in Oklahoma also shows a form of the swastika. Also known as the sun wheel, this swastika elaborates upon the Native American concept of the four directions and the four winds, under the "square sky" through which the sun traveled. Image from InnerX.

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Notice that the serpents' heads (on the wheel depicted above) are heading towards the center of the wheel in a clockwise fashion- the opposite of Thunderbird Wheels, which usually depict four Thunderbirds emanating out from the circle and pointing their beaks leftwards to create the look of a counterclockwise motion from the center.

I have prepared a partial Google map of the locations of many genuine crop formations and Indian mounds in the United States.

This map is going to be a work-in-progress for several months. I already have a majority of the documented locations of United States crop formations plotted out on the map, thanks in no small part to Jeff Wilson, who recently sent me a file containing his extensive database of the locations of USA crop formations. Some of these locations are precise, while others are roughly approximated (pinpointed a few blocks off-site), depending on the comfort level of the owners of the field in sharing the precise locations with the public. I still have many North American crop formations to add to the map (especially Canadian formations) but the majority of the USA formations confirmed to be genuine are already included. (Known hoaxes have been entirely omitted from this map, and the majority of formations that have not been tested properly have been left out, with a few exceptions where other factors tip the scale in the favor of a formation being genuine.)

On the other hand, I only have a minority of the locations of USA Indian mounds plotted out on this map so far. Many of the best-known mounds and sacred sites in the U.S. are already on my map, but there are many, many Indian mounds that are either obscure or long-destroyed, whose locations can be determined with an online search only when accessing the online history website of a specific town our county. I’ve only begun to scratch the surface, when it comes to the locations of the lesser-known Indian mounds in the USA.

My map is currently focusing on the Ohio-Indiana-Michigan-Illinois-Wisconsin, or “Great Lakes” area—the main “hot-spot” region for crop circles in the USA. As I expand the map, I will begin to include more sites in other states, but for now I’m focusing on fleshing out that region.

To properly view ley lines, one must factor in the curve of the Earth. Google Maps does not do this, but Google Earth does.

Thus, after accessing this map, do not try to draw straight lines between the locations with Google Maps. Instead, hit the “View In Google Earth” option, to load up the map into Google Earth.

Link to my Google Map of the first 200 sites here:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&m...11fcafeda931baf

As the maximum number of Google Map placemarks from one map that can be loaded into Gooigle Earth is 200, I have created a second map for the newer additions:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&c...amp;t=h&z=6

Next, Go to the website of archaeologist J.Q. Jacobs, who has many Google Earth overlays featuring the original maps of the complete layouts of many North American sacred sites, showing what they looked like before time and the plow partially or completely destroyed them. Link to J.Q. Jacobs’ Google Earth placemark/overlay collection here:
http://www.jqjacobs.net/archaeo/sites/index.html

Download all of the .kmz files of North American sacred sites, found under the headings “Eastern Woodlands” and “American West.” Since the overlay files are very large, he has them posted in several separate .kmz files featuring clusters of mounds from one specific area.

This is a very crucial step in properly setting up your Google Earth map, as the original complete designs of these sites reveals much of the ancients’ knowledge of alignments between the sites. Also, I haven’t put all of these sites on my own Google Map yet.

Once you have them loaded in Google Earth, you can draw the straight lines yourself. Rather than include a .kmz file with my own lines (which I don’t yet have prepared), for now I’ll let the readers of this post do it themselves. It’s very fun, and it really drives home the reality of the alignments when you draw the lines yourself. I wouldn’t want to deny others the first-hand experience of drawing these lines into Google Earth- it’s an experience I enjoyed immensely.

However, there are several significant alignments that I have found by viewing these sites in Google Earth, which I feel are worth mentioning here.

For today's post, here's my first eight suggestions:

#1: 6 crop formations & 2 Indian mounds:
Miamisburg Mound, Miamisburg, OH >
9/04 Miamisburg, OH crop formation >
7/04 Hillsboro, OH RDF >
8/04 Elmville, OH RDF >
5/08 “Woodland Altars” RDF in Peebles, OH >
9/04 Rarden, OH RDF >
Indian mounds in Portsmouth, OH >
4/04 Oakvale, WV RDF

#2: 5 crop formations:
6/05 Leicester, NC grass circle >
6/05 Jupiter, NC grass circle >
7/05 Mars Hill, NC grass circle >
6/05 Green Mountain, NC grass circle #2 >
4/04 Oakvale, WV RDF

#3: 3 crop formations:
3/07 Chandler, AZ RDF >
9/06 Beloit, KS crop formation >
10/02 Hemlock, MI crop formation

#4: 4 Indian sacred sites in Ohio:
Henneberger mound near Frankfort, OH >
Hopewell Mound near Anderson, OH >
Liberty Earthworks near Rupels, OH >
Leo Petroglyph near Leo, OH

When viewing the last alignment, notice how the complete layouts of Henneberger Mound, Hopewell Mound and Liberty Earthworks (from the J.Q. Jacobs page) reveal earthwork designs that follow the alignment perfectly.

#5: 3 crop circles & 2 Indian mounds:
8/03 Mayville, Kekoskee, WI crop formation >
Lizard Mound, near Young America, WI >
Converse Mound Group (former location), Grand Rapids, MI >
8/03 and 8/06 Howell, MI crop formations (the initial focus of my online essay) >
2/97 Island Lake, MI crop formation

Two more approximate locations of Indian Mounds are roughly on this line, if extended:

- The former location of Indian mounds at the former location of Great Lakes Smelting Company, Detroit, MI.

- The Trempealeau Mounds, Trempealeau, WI.

#6: 4 crop formation sites:
5/03 Hilltop, KY crop formation >
10/03 West Union, OH crop formation >
5/08 Peebles, OH “Woodland Altars” RDF >
9/03 Bainbridge, OH crop formation

Note that Serpent Mound (and of course the 8/03 Serpent Mound crop formation) are almost as close to this line as the nearby 5/08 Peebles, OH RDF.

#7: 2 Indian mound sites & 1 crop formation:
High Banks Earthworks, near Chillicothe, OH >
Piketon Mounds, Piketon, OH >
5/07 Madisonville, TN crop formation

#8: 2 crop formation sites & 1 Indian mound:
8/04 Lawton, MI crop formation >
6/90 Warsaw, IN crop formation >
Etowah Mounds, near Cartersville, GA

Note: I will post more alignments on this thread shortly.

As you draw more and more lines, you will begin to see one of the main messages of the crop circle phenomenon emerge first-hand:

Connect the dots.

Enjoy!

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OK, this is odd. I’m hoping to start a discussion here, and I’m eager to converse with people about specific ideas I have presented with this thread and with my crop circle essay ( the essay at www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) whether it be pro, con, or anywhere in-between – as long as specific things are actually discussed.

After all, this is a crop circle forum on a popular messageboard, and I am presenting information that I think is hard evidence connecting the provable alignments between Indian mounds and crop circles to my claim that a the basic framework of the "overarching message" of the crop circle phenomenon has been decoded. This is a busy forum- surely someone's got something to say!

But so far, the only response I have gotten from yesterday’s post is this:

Originally Posted by kirin-rex

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Strange. Am I being called a robot?

My first two posts yesterday were clearly written specifically for this forum, partly as a specific response to the various responses to my initial post. Nowhere else on the internet will you find the text from my first two posts. A spam-bot could not possibly accomplish this—yet I still get a vague sense “kirin-rex,” in his two posts on this thread, might be accusing me of being a machine that is automatically spamming this forum?

“kirin-rex,” I understand that English may not be your first language (as your profile says you're from Japan) and your two posts on this thread are extremely brief- so it’s possible I’m misinterpreting what you’re trying to say. Sometimes, one-word sentences in English may not mean what the person writing it might mean to convey; this tends to happen on internet forums more often when the writer's first language is not English than when the writer's first language is English. If this is the case, I apologize if I’ve misinterpreted. So, whatever you’re trying to say, could you please elaborate?

I’m not sure if the implication is that I’m violating some sort of rule here by posting this information on “alien-ufos.com,”and maybe even that this information should therefore be removed from this forum because of this violation, but I will state an opinion here just in case it is the implication:

Yes, some of the text I have posted on this thread is a copy/paste from things I have written on other forums. In fact, most of my 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th posts yesterday were copy/pastes of things I have written on other forums. If you write something exactly how you want to say it on one website, why re-write it for another? I say: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Sometimes, it even makes sense to repeat something you’ve already written in the same thread, just to make a point. For example, here’s something from my post yesterday:

Originally Posted by Scatterdome

One more post I’ll address, as a footnote:

Originally Posted by CaptainScarlet

Nice find, Captain Scarlet!

What are you two implying here? That I did not personally post the post that started this thread, just because I used the same text to start the thread on several other messageboards? Perhaps I misunderstand what you meant…

Just to clear things up: Yes, I used the same text to start this thread that I used on several other messageboards, because there was no point in rewriting it for each forum. The info I want to convey here is the same I want to convey on the other forums, so I know that there is nothing wrong with a little copy/paste, when something I have posted on one forum is the perfect block of text to use for discussion of the same subject on another.

However, I will personally respond to some of the responses on this thread, if a response is worthwhile for one reason or another.

On that note: FYI, my next few informational posts on this forum will be mostly repeats of text I have already written on other messageboards.

Hopefully I have cleared up any confusion and we may now move on to the next bit of information I’d like to add to the upcoming discussion.

The following list, and the preceding text explanation of what it means, are a copy/paste of something I have already written somewhere else. At the same time: I, Jim Prange, look forward to an interactive discussion with the readers of this thread, featured on the “alien-ufos.com” messageboard, about the specific ideas and facts I have presented.

Thank you.

Get ready- here it comes, like it or not:

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For today’s post, I have eight more alignments to share.

For those who don’t want to draw the alignments themselves, or for those who can’t or don’t have the extra time, I have included a link to my .kmz file containing these first 16 alignments. (However, I still highly recommend doing it yourself, at least for some of them, as an educational and fascinating first-hand experience.) Here’s the file link:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1194720

The placemarks are not included in this file, so it is a small file.to download- 2.8 kB.

The file contains the alignments only; to load my placemarks of crop formations and Indian mounds onto your Google Earth, you’ll still need to go to both of my Google Map links, and then hit the “View In Google Earth” tab above each map to download the placemarks into your Google Earth program. Here’s the link to my Google Map of the first set of placemarks (#1-200) again:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&m...11fcafeda931baf

And here is the link to the second set of placemarks again:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&c...amp;t=h&z=6

And, here again is the link to J.Q. Jacobs’ Google Earth overlays of archaeological site maps:
http://www.jqjacobs.net/archaeo/sites/index.html

Alignments that were first discovered by Roger Sugden and/or Jeff Wilson (to our knowledge) are marked as light blue lines, while alignments that I discovered myself (to my knowledge) are marked as green lines. (It should be noted that Jeff, Roger and I have all been independently spending time on Google Earth - setting placemarks and looking for alignments between crop formations and Indian mounds - since we returned to our respective homes after the ICCRA conference. So, there is probably some blurring between the “blue” and the “green” lines in this case. For example, on 6/26/08, I emailed my most current complete file of Google Earth alignments to Roger Sugden, and then later discussed some of the alignments with him over the phone as we looked at them on Google Earth; when I got to Alignment #4 (Leo Petroglyph -> Liberty Earthworks > Hopewell Mound > Henneberger Mound) he remarked that he had just discovered that alignment himself, earlier in the day.)

Here’s my list of the eight alignments for today’s post:

#9. 4 crop formations & 1 Indian mound:
8/03 Mayville/Kekoskee, WI crop formation >
8/03 Horicon, WI crop formation >
8/03 Clyman, WI crop formation >
8/06 Geneseo, IL crop formation >
Spiro Mound, Spiro, OK

#10. 3 Indian mounds & 2 crop formations:
Liberty Earthworks, Rupels, OH >
Seip Mound, Bainbridge, OH >
9/03 Bainbridge, OH crop formation >
7/04 Hillsboro, OH RDF >
Horseshoe Lake Mound, Granite City, IL

#11. 4 crop formations:
4/05 Albion, IN crop formation >
7/96 Indian Village crop formation >
6/90 Warsaw, IN crop formation >
8/96 Kewanna, IN crop formation >

#12. 3 Indian mounds & 1 crop formation:
Athens Earthworks (North end), Athens, OH >
Serpent Mound, Locust Grove, OH >
8/26/03 Locust Grove, OH crop formation (across the road from Serpent Mound) >
Edgington Mound, Neville, OH

#13. 4 Indian mounds:
Lizard Mound, Young America, WI >
Tampico Mound, Maple Mills, IL (just north of Little America, IL) >
Rockwell Mound, Havana, IL >
Kamp Mound Site, Kampsville, IL

#14. 2 Indian mounds & 1 crop formation:
Portsmouth Earthworks (small circular earthworks on the NE end), Portsmouth, OH >
mound in Green Mound Cemetery, New Richmond, OH >
7/00 Spencer, IN crop formation

#15. 4 Indian mounds:
Lilbourn Mound, Lilbourn, MO >
Cahokia Pyramid Mound, Cahokia, IL >
Effigy Mounds National Monument, Marquette, IA >
Fish Farms Mounds, New Albin, IA

#16. 3 Indian mounds:
Piketon Mounds, Piketon, OH >
Seip Mound, Bainbridge, OH >
Enon Mound, Enon, OH

In any of these alignments that involve an earthwork that has an overlay map available through J.Q. Jacobs’ website, note the shapes of the earthworks, as the shapes of the earthworks’ layouts consistently make geometric references to the alignments between the sites.

So far, the sites I have listed in these 16 alignments which have a map overlay available from J.Q. Jacobs’ page are: Portsmouth Earthworks (in alignments #1 and #14), Henneberger Mound (#4), Hopewell Mound (#4), Liberty Earthworks (#4 and #10), High Banks Earthworks (#7), Seip Mound (#10 and #16), Athens Earthworks (#12), Serpent Mound (#12), and Cahokia (#15).