I Don't Think Aliens/UFOs Visit Earth

***SOUL-DRIFTER*** · 06-04-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Chaballa

So you guys think aliens visit us(Earth) for research or entertainment?

There are numerous reasons why an alien species would visit here.
One must not limit yourself to assumptions based on human knowledge...think outside the box.
We may be the talk of the whole galaxy( or joke ) for all we know.
Alien technology is not going to be limited to what we understand.
Read and familiarize yourself well with the multi-thousands of UFO reports. Favor those from the military, police or airline pilots and had radar confirmation along with multiple witnesses. And when you are done reading most of them you will realize the evidence that they are here, is not BS. 300,000+ declassified UFO documents isn't all about nothing.

It is apparent to me that they have known of our existance here for many many thousands of years. There is no reason not to believe that they share information. Much as we telecast the news so may they. If that be the case, in all those thousands of years of the news spreading...how far do you think it may have spread and to how many different species? The figure could be outright mindnumbing... So to me it is little wonder why there have been so many different descriptions of crafts and occupants over the years...

**Chaballa** · 06-04-2009, 10:28 AM

Firstly I have seen heaps of documentaries about UFOs including many reports. I think the best evidence I've seen was on "14/03/1997 Phoenix Lights in UFO Coverup Documentary - Out Of The Blue" due to number of witnesses.
Sadly not even one evidence convinced me fully. For example of Phoenix Lights, why would UFO need those lights? so other UFO can see em while they travel light years distance? lol
I've also seen military, pilot UFO reports, e.g. UFOs disarming missile etc, cos i guess aliens were worried we might shoot missiles to their planet. hehe. Pilots racing with UFOs etc but lose cos UFOs use super NOS, Fast n Furious 5?

Lets says UFOs do visit Earth in regular bases. Aliens obviously don't want us to see em since we NEVER got any decent photo/video of em.
For example if they wanted to communicate with us or have message for all of us, I'm sure they could even use the technology we have to pass the message to everyone. (i.e. TV, internet, etc)
So its clear that they don't have any message for us, more like they don't want us to found out that they exist for one reason or another. (IF they existed)
Yet we have thousands of witnesses n reports, so how does that makes sense?
Really doesnt make sense to me, if Aliens come to Earth, there must be valid reason. If they don't want us to know they exist, we wouldnt have any UFO witnesses/reports.

I think UFOs reports are made up just like religion. There has been many Alien/UFO hoax.
Alien Autopsy video is a good example, many people thought it was real, especially those who believed in Aliens and UFOs. But it was fake.
Same people probably also think Alien Interview video is real, but it looks fake to me.

**karl 12** · 06-04-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Aaron123

It is better to think of religion as a whole source of knowledge rather than many segments.

Don't you mean spirituality instead of religion?
I think theres a big difference.

To my mind religion is just speculation,conjecture,heresay,rumour and guesswork - no definitive knowledge whatsoever.

Isn't that why its called 'faith' and not 'fact'?

If a thing were a fact you wouldn't have to have faith in it would you?

**Eka** · 06-04-2009, 01:18 PM

Of course they don't want us to see them. Most will say we come in peace and really mean it. In the sociaties we live in we are use to people saying one thing and doing the oppisite. We would most likely start a war, or make them become second class citizens or take their knowledge, enslave them, and so on. In these days the world is not ready for them, in the past we were more open and trusting, when a person gave his or her word, they meant it. Today has to much evil for the good ones to present themselves.

This is not fact just what I feel.

**Aarion Aris** · 06-04-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by karl 12

Don't you mean spirituality instead of religion?
I think theres a big difference.

To my mind religion is just speculation,conjecture,heresay,rumour and guesswork - no definitive knowledge whatsoever.

Isn't that why its called 'faith' and not 'fact'?

If a thing were a fact you wouldn't have to have faith in it would you?

This is provided that religion is used in a sincere manner and learned with open-mindedness. Newborn knowledge of religion enables confident human minds to percieve any unkown mystery. Spirituality is gained from ones learned knowledge of religion, if it is put to action.
For anything to become an established fact it takes inital faith upon undiscovered mysteries of mankind to for the fact to become easily known among common individuals.

**karl 12** · 06-04-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Arzas

This is provided that religion is used in a sincere manner and learned with open-mindedness.

Which religion?
There has been a great many of them and they all contradict one another.

A good example of the futility of religiously 'divine' knowledge is the teaching of it to children in schools.

How can anyone mark an exam on god when no one knows any of the answers?

Newborn knowledge of religion enables confident human minds to percieve any unkown mystery.

I'd say objective enquiry and open minded scepticism did that - not relying on superstition,dogma and theology.

Spirituality is gained from ones learned knowledge of religion, if it is put to action.

No,it is not.
Many spiritual people can be non-religious.
I think it has more to do with moral integrity,mutual benevolence and the awareness of the world's beauty rather than just mindlessly conforming to religious doctrine.
Do you think theres a difference between a religion and a cult?
If so, what is it?

For anything to become an established fact it takes inital faith upon undiscovered mysteries of mankind to for the fact to become easily known among common individuals.

I'd agree there but what on earth has that got to do with religion?
There are such things as facts - anyone who's stuck their hand in a fire or jumped out of a plane without a parachute knows that.
A great way of establishing them is the impartial,dispassionate scientific method.
If you know a better way then please tell me.

**karl 12** · 06-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chaballa

I don’t think aliens/UFOs visit us, or live amongst us. I think that’s total bullshit, made up just like religions.

Have you ever actualy looked into the subject?

**Aarion Aris** · 06-04-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by karl 12

Which religion?
There has been a great many of them and they all contradict one another.
A good example of the futility of religiously 'divine' knowledge is the teaching of it to children in schools.
How can anyone mark an exam on god when no one knows any of the answers?
I'd say objective enquiry and open minded scepticism did that - not relying on superstition,dogma and theology.

Religions are the Manifestions themselves as they tap the energy from the countless Manifestions in the sanctified Holy Lands. I have understood some major religions as Christianity Jewdaism and the Bahai Faith. These are not all though. It is possible for people to have a good understanding of religion before death. In this age I do not prefer religious schools unless the people hosting the religious schools have an oustanding reputation and are inspected to keep from attacking anyone mentally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religions

No,it is not.
Many spiritual people can be non-religious.
I think it has more to do with moral integrity,mutual benevolence and the awareness of the world's beauty rather than just mindlessly conforming to religious doctrine.
Religion could be fundamentally benifically to if they can strive to higher intellects, but it is benifcial to everyone.

Do you think theres a difference between a religion and a cult?
If so, what is it?

Religions are sources of knowledge directly from the manifestions of God. A cult comes from a human and is derived from a Manifestion of God.

I'd agree there but what on earth has that got to do with religion?
There are such things as facts - anyone who's stuck their hand in a fire or jumped out of a plane without a parachute knows that.
A great way of establishing them is the impartial,dispassionate scientific method.
If you know a better way then please tell me.

The parents of humanity have been sent from God and have suffered to make manifest knowledge that would have been ultimately impossible to learn any other way. One could stick their hand in a fire and not feel anything if their senses are not evolved enough or drained by lack of purpose. This could also destroy the human. One needs purpose to know their existance and origin as ones abilities grow into superpowers once excerised. Illnesses throughout the world are caused by humans lack of purpose. Facts come upon our established purpose of origin.

**karl 12** · 06-04-2009, 05:05 PM

Arzas -thanks for your replies but they mean nothing to me.

***SOUL-DRIFTER*** · 06-04-2009, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Chaballa

Firstly I have seen heaps of documentaries about UFOs including many reports. I think the best evidence I've seen was on "14/03/1997 Phoenix Lights in UFO Coverup Documentary - Out Of The Blue" due to number of witnesses.

Documentaries are a nice addition to learning about this subject, but if the majority of what you have learned come from them, you are missing at least 80% of the subject & case reports.
The Phoenix lights was NOT good evidence and not even close to being the best. This shows your serious lack of knowledge of the subject.

I think UFOs reports are made up just like religion. There has been many Alien/UFO hoax.

This comment further reinforces your apparent lack of knowledge of the subject

Alien Autopsy video is a good example, many people thought it was real, especially those who believed in Aliens and UFOs. But it was fake.
Same people probably also think Alien Interview video is real, but it looks fake to me.

So there are some bogus videos out there. That is no surprise, but it doesn't instantly make all UFO videos and photos fake either. It should'nt take a rocket scientist to know that.