Thread: I Don't Think Aliens/UFOs Visit Earth

Want physical evidence? Research Dr. Roger Leir. Took out several alien implants had them studied at labs, including Los Alamos. The metals found in them were not from this earth, several of the implants looked exactly the same, the implants couldn't be cut with a surgical blade and were put in with no inflammatory response. He's been getting some attention recently on the discovery channel and in the X conference, no one can deny his evidence. There's so many claimed abductees, most famous being Betty and Barney Hill, passed several lie detector tests and each told the exact same stories under hypnosis.

There's so many cases of extraterrestrials it's hard to deny. The most famous case of all the Roswell incident was really a ufo crash just covered up by the government. But look at the more recent post-Roswell interviews. Former lieutenants, high ranking officials who once tried to cover it up admitted it was real. There were deathbed confessions, a note saying the incident was real after the witness had died! Even today very high ranking officials and astronauts are saying they exist. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, scientist and 6th man to walk on the moon, grew up in Roswell and says that there's no doubt in his mind that it was real.

If you want ufo videos just browse youtube, there are hoaxes of course but many are credible. Do some research please, you'll learn a lot.

Originally Posted by Chaballa

LOL instead of keep on putting me down, why don't you show me some of your best evidence of UFOs(or Aliens) Soul-Drifter?
Cos I've seen enough UFO reports(definately ALOT more compared to average person) and not even one report convinced me.

I don't think UFOs(Aliens) visit Earth cos;
1. Why would Aliens visit Earth at first place?
2. Why don't we have proof/evidence? i.e. any decent proof, clear or closeup photos/videos of UFO(or Alien)
3. How come there are so many UFO reports if Aliens don't want to reveal themselves?

Maybe that's why I'm comparing UFOs to religions, you need "faith" to believe in Gods/relgions.
And I guess you also need "faith" to believe in UFOs...

See my survey about profound occurances. It has decent results and the evidence is new.
http://www.space.com/common/forums/viewtop...426&start=0

Originally Posted by Chaballa

LOL instead of keep on putting me down, why don't you show me some of your best evidence of UFOs(or Aliens) Soul-Drifter?
Cos I've seen enough UFO reports(definately ALOT more compared to average person) and not even one report convinced me.

That is fine as it is your personal opinion on what you have seen.

I don't think UFOs(Aliens) visit Earth cos;
1. Why would Aliens visit Earth at first place?
2. Why don't we have proof/evidence? i.e. any decent proof, clear or closeup photos/videos of UFO(or Alien)
3. How come there are so many UFO reports if Aliens don't want to reveal themselves?

1. Because we cannot guess a motivation for this does not negate the possibility. Would the native americans have known the motivations of the first explorers, would the Australian Aborininals have known captain Cooks motivations?
No, of course not, but still they came.

2. There are plenty of photoes and video, but it is not easy to seperate the fakes from the real ones. Who can tell. And something to think about. With our current technology, how easy is it for us to spy on a primitive culture of we choose to, without them ever knowing. And that is with a few hundred years differece in developement. Imagine the potential difference in technology if there were 1000, or 10,000 years differrence. We might seem as primitive as primordial slugs to an Alien.

3. Again, because you cannot see the motivation, does not mean there is none.

Maybe that's why I'm comparing UFOs to religions, you need "faith" to believe in Gods/relgions.
And I guess you also need "faith" to believe in UFOs...

That is just plain silly. Either you are blind or have not looked anywhere near as much as you claim at UFO reports. There are reports out there to be seen by people who's technical integrity cannot be questioned, who claim forst hand knowledge of encounters with craft that have displayed behavour clearly not possible on this earth.

For example, here is a very old but very interesting one...

I once found an analysis of this one and the object that does the sharp right hand turn and shoots away, was estimated to go from 0 to over 3000,000 kmph at several thousand times the force of gravity in about 1 second. Now unless we have suddenly inventer inertial dampners off star trek, anything man made would be a pancace after that

Also, this one, I just found so cannot coment on the background, but it cetainly looks interesting.


What say yo uto these ones, in particular the first one, there are thousands more like them?

AE posts: Want physical evidence? Research Dr. Roger Leir.
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OK... But I won't quote Leir's interpretation of the researcher's analysis, I'll quote the researchers: ~rore

Scientific Analysis of an "Alien Implant" Published in UFO Magazine Nov/Dec 1997

"John Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and well known for his work on abduction, has been able to analyse a few of these rare objects in the laboratory.
One turned out to be "an interesting twisted fibre consisting of carbon, silicon, oxygen, no nitrogen, and traces of other elements". This could mean it was any number of ordinary earthly things. Others were clearly "of normal biological material" - in other words they probably came from the abductee’s own body.

"Another implant that has been thoroughly analysed was taken from abductee Richard Price.
A physicist, David Pritchard, subjected it to many tests but, again, he concluded that it was of earthly biological origin..

"Since then Derrel Sims, nicknamed "the alien hunter", has collected several putative implants.
Along with Dr Roger Leir he has been trying to analyse objects surgically removed from abductees but so far there is no convincing evidence for any objects with extra-terrestrial features, unusual elements or signs of sophisticated alien technology.

"All the research so far seems to suggest that the "implants" are not really that at all.
But imagine the importance if they were!

"I was therefore thrilled to be given the chance to example (sic) and analyse an "implant" for myself. I have to say I was not hopeful that this object would really provide evidence for alien civilisation, but I was conscious that it just might.

"James Basil claims a long history of abductions.
In March 1997 James came to interview me for a student media project. He asked lots of intelligent questions about my research and my views on aliens, and challenged my theory that many "abductions" are in fact elaborations of sleep paralysis.

"...more interesting still was that he thought he could prove his experiences were real - the aliens had implanted a small object in his mouth and after a couple of weeks he had removed it.
He now had it safe in a small plastic box but it was too small for him to be sure what it was. He asked me whether I would be interested in seeing the implant and possibly analysing it to find out.

"...I plucked up courage and sent out an e-mail to everyone in the Faculty of Applied Sciences asking for help. To my amazement, within one hour I had already had three replies offering help and advice, and by the next day I had more.
Like me, the other scientists were apparently keen to find out what this object was.

"Many suggestions were made, but the consensus seemed to be that we should not use any destructive method and the best approach would be to use use a light microscope first, then the scanning electron microscope and finally X-ray microanalysis to find out the elemental composition.
So James and I went to visit Dave Patton, who routinely uses these instruments in his work with biologists and chemists.
We soon had the answer.

"Aside from a little calcium, silicon and chlorine there were just three main ingredients: Mercury 40%, Tin 30% and Silver 16%. Ignoring all the other elements these three amount to 47%, 35% and 18%.
Dental amalgam varies considerably in its exact composition but is typically 50% mercury with the other 50% being silver and tin, in varying proportions.

"The mystery was solved. The "implant" was really a filling.
James was initially disappointed..." More @ http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/ufo97.html

"Sue Blackmore is a psychologist and writer researching consciousness, memes, and anomalous experiences, and a Visiting Professor at the University of Plymouth.
She has a degree in psychology and physiology from Oxford University (St Hilda's College 1973) and a PhD in parapsychology from the University of Surrey (1980).
She blogs for the Guardian and Psychology Today..."

AliensExist, few officials and astronauts believing in UFOs are not a proof, how about the rest of thousands of officials and astronauts who doesn't believe in UFOs?
And again why don't they have ANY proof?
I’ve already seen most of the UFO videos posted on Youtube, and not one made me think wow that must be Alien spacecraft from another planet.
I've seen many UFO reports by what appears to be credible witness at first glance. ex-astronaut, ex-military personnel, ex-pilots, etc. but none of them seem to be currently working. lol maybe they just want bit of $$$, fame n attention?


Dundee, you know whats just plain silly? People linking what they don't understand directly to UFOs. Thats like people hundreds of years ago blaming God for hurricane, earthquake, volcano, plague etc.
Like you said those videos are interesting, but there are NOT proof of UFO. They could easily be hoax, CGI, somekind of hologram, trick with flashlight, etc.
To be honest David Copperfield disappearing the Statue of Liberty looked more real to me. I bet his worst magic trick looks more real than the best UFO photo or video available. lol


People seem to claim total BS as Alien/UFO, even in this forum. I replied few of em.
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Alien-Waving-Spi...ars-t24975.html
http://www.alien-ufos.com/UFO-Image-Media-...ent-t25008.html
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Aliens-wal...ng-t24746.html
last one is kinda sad, cos OP claims to be super UFO expert with 13 years of experience, yet he doesn’t seem to have any proof of UFO besides ancient cave wall drawings, pyramid and nazca lines.

Anyway I would love to see any real proof of UFO or Alien.

Originally Posted by Chaballa

.......................Dundee, you know whats just plain silly? People linking what they don't understand directly to UFOs. Thats like people hundreds of years ago blaming God for hurricane, earthquake, volcano, plague etc They could easily be hoax, CGI, somekind of hologram, trick with flashlight, etc.
To be honest David Copperfield disappearing the Statue of Liberty looked more real to me. I bet his worst magic trick looks more real than the best UFO photo or video available. lol......................

My god, we got another one, rore......shes all yours mate, I think if I went here again my brain would surely explode
Good luck

Originally Posted by Chaballa

LOL instead of keep on putting me down, why don't you show me some of your best evidence of UFOs(or Aliens) Soul-Drifter?
Cos I've seen enough UFO reports(definately ALOT more compared to average person) and not even one report convinced me.

I don't think UFOs(Aliens) visit Earth cos;
1. Why would Aliens visit Earth at first place?
2. Why don't we have proof/evidence? i.e. any decent proof, clear or closeup photos/videos of UFO(or Alien)
3. How come there are so many UFO reports if Aliens don't want to reveal themselves?

Maybe that's why I'm comparing UFOs to religions, you need "faith" to believe in Gods/relgions.
And I guess you also need "faith" to believe in UFOs...

I did my own research. I suggest you do your own, I do not have enough time to do it for you...sorry. Maybe someone else can amuse you this way...?

I will not reply to any more of your silly questions.

Originally Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER

I did my own research. I suggest you do your own, I do not have enough time to do it for you..

Yes, doing your own research is important.

Chaballa -if you're interested I'd have a good look into these incidents:


The Tehran Incident,1976.


The Coyne incident,1973


The RB-47 incident,1957


The Zamora incident,1964


The Washington incident(s),1952


The Westall UFO incident,1966


The Colares incident,1977


The Portage county Police UFO Incident


The Kinross Incident


The Lakenheath incident


The Alaska Flight JAL 1628 Incident


The Disappearance of flight N3808H.


The Allagash Abductions


The Kelly Cahill UFO Encounter


The Gosford Incident


The Fatima Incident


The Varginha Incident


The Belgium UFO wave


The French UFO Wave 1954


The Cash Landrum Incident


The Pascagoula abductions


The Zimbabwe school sightings,1994.


New Zealand Aircraft UFO sightings,1978


The Berwyn Mountains Incident


The Nha Trang Incident,South Vietnam,1966


The Illinois Police UFO Incident,2000


The Shag Harbour Incident


The Falcon Lake Incident


Gdynia Port USO Incident -Poland 1959


The Mayaquez UFO Incident, 1977:


The Exeter Puzzle



I'd also check the police/pilot reports out and look into the USO aspect of the subject - many prominent people have also made positive statements:

Police:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/PRUFOS-Police-Re...ion-t24289.html

Pilots:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Unidentified-Aer...ena-t24949.html

USOs:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Unidentified-Sub...SOs-t23644.html

Quotes:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Quotes-UFO-subje...ple-t23379.html


You won't find any unequivocable proof but you will find some very interesting and credible radar/sonar evidence,ground trace evidence,government documentary evidence,video/photographic evidence,circumstantial evidence and sworn eyewitness testimony.

Originally Posted by karl 12

Yes, doing your own research is important.
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You won't find any unequivocable proof but you will find some very interesting and credible radar/sonar evidence,ground trace evidence,government documentary evidence,video/photographic evidence,circumstantial evidence and sworn eyewitness testimony.

Naa waste of time mate, you know it will be "a hoax, CGI, somekind of hologram, trick with flashlight"