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    This is a funny thread to me. And also a little frustrating. Because whilst there are heaps of things out there flying around and can be seen, you are looking at camera and imagery artefacts.
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    according to me it is an alien ship

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    I will take notice of the fleet of ships when they arrive.
    Until then, I will go with the expert opinions that these are all artifacts of the video process.

    Nasa sends cameras to the most extreme environments imaginable.
    With the most challanging light conditions ever encountered.
    It takes years of research just to do it and to do an analysis of the data.

    It will take lot stronger evidence before I start buying into this speculation.
    Nice conceptual foundation for a good sci fi thriller though.
    I like Fantasy and Science Fiction.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

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    I have seen those kinds of little smears in space pixs before.
    I know what those artifacts are.
    There were a lot of them in the Moon and Mars probes.
    Less in the newer ones, but still inherently a natural part of the process.
    I found that to be the case by purchasing some Clementine probe CD's and developing my own algerithm to extract the images from the raw data exactly as received.

    Power is a premium comodity on a probe.
    So they use it as efficiently as possible.
    Radio transmitters are power demanding applications.
    They get the most bang for energy buck by using low power and precisly aimed narrow beams with digital encoding.

    Ever watched sat tv when the signal gets disrupted by heavy cloud cover and the vid freezes and jumps.
    Or listen to a CD player make the glink glink noise when it can't read the data through a scratch?
    When there is a dropout in the serial data stream from a space probe it causes little smeary areas in the image.
    The data is all there, just scrambled, and the image malformed.
    You can run image enhancement scripts in graphic processors and extract all kinds of odd shapes.
    But you are extracting those from an artifact that was not in the scene the cam was filming.

    Google Moon got all of its data from the Clementine Moon probe.
    Clementine was in polar orbit and stored the data for transmission when it was in position to aim the antenna at the Earth.
    It also didn't have enough memory to keep two orbits of data.
    So if you didn't get the data on that orbit, it would be over written with the next orbits data.
    Some of the data got scrambled with smeared areas.
    Some data was lost and were just blank spots.
    Of course the CT emerged that NASA was blurring the images and covering things up.

    If you saw Google Moon then, and look now, there is more detail and less blur.
    Through a tedious and labor intensive process, NASA engineers, used the error correction bits to recover some of the data.
    So as the corrections were released Google Moon slowly improved.
    I just wish Google would replace those dated low res Clementine images with the new high definition ones.

    I don't know all of the artifacts in probe images.
    But I have some experiance with this one.

    A data format error artifact was blown up and detail enhanced with photoshop.
    The extracted shape was never really there in the first place.
    Whatever works, use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart5050 View Post
    I have seen those kinds of little smears in space pixs before.
    I know what those artifacts are.
    It almost looks metallic in appearance the way it reflects light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marduk View Post
    It almost looks metallic in appearance the way it reflects light.

    Not in the original it doesn't.
    It looks like a data error smear.

    You do realize that those cams are a long way from the Sun.
    They are light challenged in a radiation intense environment.
    Saturn has a lot of small rocky and icy moonlets with odd shapes and surfaces with albedo variations.

    Mis interpretations of natural objects and image artifacts.
    Made to look like something they are not with photoshop image processing.
    Is that all you got?
    Do radio telescopes pick up anything near Saturn?
    Both Saturn and Jupiter put out a lot of radiation.
    A really big metallic object that big in that environment would produce a radio detectable siganature very unlike the radio noise the rings produce.
    Maybe you could look there for some corraborating data.

    The NASA imaging team all have years of education, training and experiance.
    They designed the instruments for that enviroment a know more than anyone about how they perform.

    Unless you got something more, I will vote with NASA on this.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.


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