Thread: Gigantic Motherships And Other Bizzare Anomalies Near Saturn

But that wouldn't make any sense. If there is life on Saturn, it is certainly not as we would know it. And if there is anything intelligent there... it may be some ETs in a base perhaps. So if that were to be true, who could have built it and for what purpose. And how in the world would they expect to protect such a structure from space debris and gravitational forces?

I do not buy it...

Originally Posted by Marduk

I know of the shepard moons but maybe there is something different going on near Saturn



Now does this look like a moon? [img]http://media5.break.com/nt/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

marduk.....yes actually it does look like a moon.....not all moons are spherical.

Originally Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER

But that wouldn't make any sense. If there is life on Saturn, it is certainly not as we would know it. And if there is anything intelligent there... it may be some ETs in a base perhaps. So if that were to be true, who could have built it and for what purpose. And how in the world would they expect to protect such a structure from space debris and gravitational forces?

I do not buy it...

SD....I agree....if ET was to build a base near by so to speak they would be more likely to construct it in a more hospitable location. However, if ET is really watching us whos to say they are not just stopping by when they are in the area. I find it more likely they would build one on earth if they were monitoring us.

Remember in Star Trek IV they were concerned about tracking devices.....so if they wanted to stay hidden its likely we'd not see them. These objects are far to visible...and quite frankly they do resemble oblong shepard moons more than anything.

Originally Posted by Marduk

Scientists cannot explain all observed features. The current dilemma facing scientists is that Cassini is detecting extended objects like those pictured here.

Scientists have long suspected that small moons hiding among Saturn's ring strands might be producing some of the unusual structure observed in the F ring. While the shepherd moon Prometheus is the main culprit behind the strange behavior of Saturn's F ring, it cannot explain all observed features. The current dilemma facing scientists is that Cassini is detecting extended objects like those pictured here -- that may be either solid moons or just loose clumps of particles within the ring. This montage of four enhanced Cassini narrow-angle camera images shows bright clump-like features at different locations within the F ring.

Two objects in particular, provisionally named S/2004 S3 and S/2004 S6, have been repeatedly observed by Cassini over the past 13.5 months and 8.5 months, respectively. The orbits for these two objects have not yet been precisely determined, in part because perturbations from other nearby moons make the orbits of objects in this region complicated. Thus, scientists cannot be completely confident at the present time if they in fact have observed new sightings of S3 and S6, or additional transient clumps.

The upper two images show features that may be S6. From previous observations, S6 appears to have an orbit that crosses that of the main F ring. This unexpected behavior currently is a subject of great interest to ring scientists.

The upper left image was taken on June 21, 2005, and shows an object in the outer ringlets of the F ring. The radial (or lengthwise) extent of the feature is approximately 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles). The radial resolution on the ring is about 13 kilometers (8 miles) per pixel.

The image at the upper right was taken on June 29, 2005, and shows a bright feature within the F ring's inner ringlets. The radial extent of the feature seen here is about 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles); the radial resolution is 36 kilometers (22 miles).

The image at the lower left was taken on August 2, 2005, and shows a feature that may be S3. S3 has been found to have an orbital path that is tightly aligned with that of the main F ring. The radial resolution in the image is 3.5 kilometers (2.2 miles) per pixel.

The lower right image was taken on April 13, 2005, and has a radial resolution of 7 kilometers (4 miles) per pixel. This object does not appear to be either S3 or S6.

Structures like knots and clumps within the F ring often are transient, appearing and then disappearing within months. Repeated observation of the objects seen in this region hopefully will give scientists firm evidence about whether these features are actual moons that disturb the material around them or perhaps the short-lived products of interactions between the F ring and larger moons such as Prometheus.NASA

Marduk
Hoagland is suggesting in the video that parts of Saturns B-ring could be a piece of a Dyson Ring ...if this is true it would be mind melding!

Richard C. Hoagland lies.


Would you share links to your sources of information please, Marduk?

The enhancement of that moon is flawed... You simply applied a filter, removing all details...

What Wrecked Saturn's Rings in 1984



When looking at a picture of Saturn in all its glory, you can easily see that the rings surrounding it look as sturdy as they come. They are continuously replenished by debris spewing out from a number of moons and are gravitationally bound to the gas giant itself. It would, therefore, appear that they cannot be easily influenced. Astronomers thought so too until, in 1984, a yet-unidentified event severely disrupted the thin rings, creating the vinyl-like, ridged and spiraled patterns we see even today. It would appear that all of the telescopes, satellites and probes we had in space at the time missed the event, whatever it was. The changes that were made to the inner ring of the planet were so severe, that experts believe only a change in the planet's traits itself might have caused it. Astronomers didn't even find out about the changes until 2006, when the Cassini orbiter started sending back images of the unusually shaped rings, NewScientist reports.



In the D Ring, the closest to the surface of the planet, the space probe identified alternating bright and dark bands, which seemed to indicate that the icy ring was not entirely flat. Measurements then revealed that the ring was made up of grooves, each about a kilometer in height, which is something very unusual for Saturn's companions. Usually, they are very, very thin compared to their width and cannot be seen if an observer is placed exactly on top of them. The latest image from Cassini did nothing to clear up the mystery. It only made it worse, when it showed that the grooves were significantly more widespread than first thought. As the gas giant pulled its ring-vanishing act a couple of months ago, astronomers had a chance to look at all rings as they were lit edge-on. They noticed, very much to their amazement, that the next companion, the 17,000-kilometer-wide C Ring, also had grooves in it. Their amplitude is, however, a bit smaller, of only 100 meters.


Saturn's D ring appears to be corrugated with small vertical hills and valleys, rather than being perfectly flat. Patterns of light and shadow on these corrugations gives the ring a banded appearance from afar.

The fact that the second ring has the grooves too means that a comet or asteroid can be ruled out, experts argue. “The trouble is everything you come up with seems intrinsically unlikely,” SETI Institute expert Mark Showalter says.

Saturn’s rings have own atmosphere


Spectrum from Cassini intruments indicating atmosphere over rings.

Data from the NASA/ESA/ASI Cassini spacecraft indicate that Saturn's majestic ring system has its own atmosphere - separate from that of the planet itself.

During its close fly-bys of the ring system, instruments on Cassini have been able to determine that the environment around the rings is like an atmosphere, composed principally of molecular oxygen. This atmosphere is very similar to that of Jupiter's moons Europa and Ganymede. The finding was made by two instruments on Cassini, both of which have European involvement: the Ion and Neutral Mass Spectrometer (INMS) has co-investigators from USA and Germany, and the Cassini Plasma Spectrometer (CAPS) instrument has co-investigators from US, Finland, Hungary, France, Norway and UK. Saturn's rings consist largely of water ice mixed with smaller amounts of dust and rocky matter. They are extraordinarily thin: though they are 250 000 kilometres or more in diameter they are no more than 1.5 kilometres thick.

Despite their impressive appearance, there is very little material in the rings - if the rings were compressed into a single body it would be no more than 100 kilometres across. The origin of the rings is unknown. Scientists once thought that the rings were formed at the same time as the planets, coalescing out of swirling clouds of interstellar gas 4000 million years ago. However, the rings now appear to be young, perhaps only hundreds of millions of years old. Another theory suggests that a comet flew too close to Saturn and was broken up by tidal forces. Possibly one of Saturn's moons was struck by an asteroid smashing it to pieces that now form the rings.


Though Saturn may have had rings since it formed, the ring system is not stable and must be regenerated by ongoing processes, probably the break-up of larger satellites. Water molecules are first driven off the ring particles by solar ultraviolet light. They are then split into hydrogen, and molecular and atomic oxygen, by photodissocation. The hydrogen gas is lost to space, the atomic oxygen and any remaining water are frozen back into the ring material due to the low temperatures, and this leaves behind a concentration of oxygen molecules.

Dr Andrew Coates, co-investigator for CAPS, from the Mullard Space Science Laboratory (MSSL) at University College London, said: "As water comes off the rings, it is split by sunlight; the resulting hydrogen and atomic oxygen are then lost, leaving molecular oxygen. "The INMS sees the neutral oxygen gas, CAPS sees molecular oxygen ions and an ‘electron view’ of the rings. These represent the ionised products of that oxygen and some additional electrons driven off the rings by sunlight." Dr Coates said the ring atmosphere was probably kept in check by gravitational forces and a balance between loss of material from the ring system and a re-supply of material from the ring particles.

The Ringmakers of Saturn




Transcript of Bob Dean talking about the Ringmakers of Saturn at the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, Spain, July 2009




In 1980, NASA -- Never A Straight Answer -- launched the Voyager program to Saturn. They launched this little mechanical space ship filled with cameras, film and so on. They wanted to go to Saturn because something had been going on in the rings of Saturn, around the moons of Saturn that didn’t make a lot of sense. Some anomalous events were taking place in Saturn, near Saturn, at Saturn.

So they launched the Voyager in 1980. The pictures they got back from Voyager was so stunning and so shocking that they just locked them up in a safe. Fortunately I met and developed a friendship with a retired NASA scientist by the name of Norman Bergrun.

Norman Bergrun worked for NASA for about 30 years. He was a technician, a scientist on the Voyager Program to Saturn in 1980. Norman decided, after waiting a number of years for NASA and the authorities to be candid and honest and forthright and tell what they really found up at Saturn. And Norman got so frustrated he wrote a book.

I think he couldn’t publish in the United States; no American publisher would even touch it. Norman Bergrun had to go to Scotland, for God’s sake, to Aberdeen, to get his book published. And he published it. He did succeed. He got his book. It’s a piece of genius; it’s a beautiful piece of work, and the things that they photographed near Saturn appeared in print for the first time.

This is the A-ring of Saturn. I think you’re all familiar with what Saturn looks like; it’s a beautiful planet. It’s a giant, but it’s got rings all around it. Well this is the A-ring and here’s the object that is self-luminous, obviously artificial, larger than our moon, that seems to be moving all around throughout the rings of Saturn and among the moons of Saturn; and Saturn’s got a couple dozen moons.

This object here, as I said, larger than our moon, moving all around apparently under intelligent control in the rings of Saturn. Now, try for a moment, if you can, to imagine the kind of a technology that is capable of constructing something larger than our moon, that’s artificial, that moves around wherever it wishes to go that has probably got several thousand guys inside. That is shocking to some people. Next picture , please.



Ah, this is the pièce de résistance, I guess, as the French say. Here you have another self-luminous, artificially constructed object, circular in shape, larger than our moon that is also moving here, there and everywhere throughout the rings of Saturn and among the moons of Saturn. You know, there has to be intelligence aboard.



But this is the one that really blew the NASA people on the Voyager program out of the water. This object – this is an object guys – is 2000 miles long. It’s 400 miles in diameter, and it is an artificially constructed… Norman calls them an electromagnetic vehicle. He says they appear to be making the rings. This is one of the rings of Saturn; I think this is B-ring. Bergrun says he thought they were probably making the rings. I said: Norman, you have to consider the possibility they may be mining the rings.

From 06:22 till end of sis vid ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1
...and till 04:01 of sis vid you see what Robert Dean has to say about the Ringmakers of Saturn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v

I think the rings are probably rich in nutrients, in minerals probably, and an incredibly advanced civilization I think would work out some system of mining those rings for all the minerals up there and utilizing them because space is filled with wealth; energies of all kinds. They never have to dig another hole in the ground like we do down here. Space is filled with energy.

This is 2000 miles long and here on this end, there seems to be something like an exhaust or a flare of energy of some kind. It’s probably the result of engines of some type inside this thing; but, whatever it’s doing, it’s there, and it’s a recognition and representation of an advanced intelligence.

And that’s one of the things that they don’t want you to know -- that we are confronting and relating with an intelligence that’s so far beyond our own; we’re looking at and talking about what’s known as a Type II civilization.





From 0:33 till 0:42 John Lear talks about "The Ringmakers of Saturn" who
grabbed the Moon (see Mare Orientale) into Earths orbit. Interesting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p






Mare Orientale


Transcript of Kerry of PC interviews John Lear about Gigantic Motherships in Saturns Rings

[Immanuel] Velikovsky talks about the different proselynes and the different civilizations, that talked about the time when there was NO moon and then, when there were two moons and now we have one moon. This guy here, Norm Bergrun wrote the The Ringmakers of Saturn. It’s an EXCELLENT book. Norm Bergrun is VERY qualified; was for forty years a scientific part of both NACA and also Lockheed; retired from Lockheed, I think, about fifteen years ago. No more than that...

K: What’s NACA?

J: Ah, National Aeronautics, the predecessor to NASA.

K: Oh, really.

J: National Advisory Commission for Aeronautics.

K: I see, okay.

J: They were the predecessor to NASA.

K: Okay.



J: But when he retired, he somehow got some photos, some really good negatives of Voyager, which went by Saturn. And he set up a little lab in his house, and he started looking these and he ended up writing Ringmakers of Saturn. And what he shows you here is what he found in the rings of Saturn: three vehicles - space ships - the biggest of which is 31,196 miles long and 2,422 miles in diameter.

We’re talking about a fairly large spaceship there. Now Norm Bergrun, when he wrote this book at the beginning - it’s very good - he says “Now look, I’m going to be talking about some stuff that is very interesting, but you can’t skip a page, you can’t skip a word that you don’t know; you have to go from the beginning to end or you won’t understand what I’m saying.” And I did go from beginning to end. Now since...

K: Okay, but when was this written?

J: Ah, this would be 1986.


K: Ok, so it’s not that old.

J: No and I go see Norm...

K: And it’s talking about a huge spaceship. Who built the spaceship?

J: Who builds them?

K: Yeah.

J: We don’t know who builds them. But anyway...

K: Us?

J: No, no. We couldn’t build anything like that. We have some amazing stuff, but, we couldn’t do that.

K: Okay.

J: No, this is somebody else. But what the interesting part in the book and the reason why we’re getting here is because, at the end of this book, he starts talking about the moon and how the moon was towed into orbit. Because the people that towed, that, that operate that stuff and Saturn and also Iapetus, towed the moon into orbit - and he goes into here, explains exactly why he believes the moon WAS towed into orbit, and how it was and how they grabbed on to the Mare Orienel.

K: Who are you saying towed the moon into...

J: We don’t know. Whoever.

K: ...into place. So he doesn’t conjecture on who...

J: No.

K: ...you know, on what alien race, for example.

J: No.

K: I mean obviously, it’s an alien race. Henry Deacon, our secret source, has also substantiated that. The moon was towed into orbit... but have you got an idea what alien race was responsible for that?

J: No, absolutely not.

K: None?

J: What’s interesting here, another interesting thing, I see Norm every year because when I go do the UFO Expo West, which is the only one I do. He lives in Los Altos Hills. And he’s writing about Iapetus, and Iapetus is probably a spaceship too.

K: Okay.

K: So we’ve got to get in touch with this guy.

J: You better, because he’s on his way out. I saw him last September, he was not well, he was finishing up the book on Iapetus. But he wasn’t working on it every day...

K: Okay, was he a scientist?

J: Yes.

K: Okay, but did he, who did he work for? I mean, in other words, he’s government...

J: Give me a second here.

K: He’s in NACA, I understand that, but in a certain level, he’s revealing secret information.

J: No. As what?

K: Well, I’m just asking you. Isn’t this, wouldn’t this be secret?

J: No. No.
Thermodynamicist, Douglas Aircraft 1934-44
Aero Research Scientist, NACA/Ames Laboratory 1944-1956
Lockheed Missile and Space Company, Van Uys, Supervisor Flight Test 1956-68
Manager, Flight Test Analysis, 1958-1962
Manager Test Plans and Direction 1962-63
Manager Re-entry Test Operations, 1966...

K: Okay, but...

J: There’s all this stuff, how qualified this guy is...

K: Right.

J: This is...

K: Why are they letting him talk?

J: Why?

K: Why are they letting him do this? I mean, in other words.

J: What’s he saying? There’s a space ship that’s, that’s 31 miles long in the rings of Saturn?

K: So plausible deniability is....

J: Sure, who’s going to believe that?

K: Okay, okay, alright. So that’s...

J: So anyway, two years ago, at the UFO Expo West, I mean, that was SO interesting because number one, one of my lectures of Apollo 1, and the four people that were in it and there was Grissom, White and Chaffey and then there was a fourth guy - and he was part of the secret astronaut corps.

And the REASON that had to keep it secret is because if they, if the public were allowed to know there was a fourth guy in there, then they would not, want to know who he was. And there was no possible way that NASA could ever reveal that there was another guy in there, ‘cause they would have to reveal the secret space program. And the secret space program started in 1959 and they’re the ones who went to the moon in 1962. They went to Mars in 1966. All, everything we know is a cover for the secret space program.

K: Oh, yeah.

J: Anyway, when, when I give a lecture, if I have two hours, I always give an hour, and then let the public talk to me for an hour, because I’m going to learn more from then than they are going to from me. And one of Chaffey’s relatives got up and said, “John, you’re right, we’ve always known this, there was a fourth man, but we didn’t know who it was.” Now, I know who the name is, but I keep it to myself because...

J: Oh, right.

J: ...if somebody comes to me, you know and says, “I know who it is”. I know who it is. And it’s really interesting because his son is a current shuttle astronaut.

K: Oh, really.

J: Yeah. So anyway, I go to see Norm two years ago, and in talking with him I said: “By the way, the electromagnetic vehicle that towed the moon into orbit, where is it now”? And he said, “I think it’s on the back side of the moon”.

So when I got hooked up with Ron Schmidt, we started collecting photos on the back side of the moon and we found it. It’s in the crater Tsiolkovsky. And the story of how we did it was so interesting and how NASA covered it up. There’s like six different photos of Tsiolkovsky, as they tried to airbrush this electromagnetic vehicle out if the picture by making it an island.

And ah, but we got them. And we got two really good photos. One was discovered by a lady who works for us in Florida, and she discovered it on a thumbnail of Tsiolkovsky. And what happened, was when NASA was advertising this particular photo, you know, they airbrushed the big one, but, when they had the thumbnail, somebody looked at that and said, “Hey, I’m not going to take the time to enlarge that, take the vehicle out and put it down - nobody’ll notice it anyway.”

But we noticed it, and it’s great, and that’s where we got the photo of the EMV on the far side. And then, Apollo 15 flew over it, and they got some movies of it, and it’s just a quick shot but it’s really interesting.

Comparison Moon & Cylindrical Object


Moon


Cylindrical Object