Thread: Gigantic Motherships And Other Bizzare Anomalies Near Saturn

marduk....I was wondering what that big green blur has to do with the ring makers of Saturn?.....how can a blur photograph be considered evidence?.....

Also what do impact craters on the moon and a volcano on Mars have to do with Saturn?....

Originally Posted by Castle-Bravo354

marduk....I was wondering what that big green blur has to do with the ring makers of Saturn?.....how can a blur photograph be considered evidence?.....

Also what do impact craters on the moon and a volcano on Mars have to do with Saturn?....

I never stated I have the bullet proof evidence and I don't want this to come off the wrong way. Im just posting some weird stuff concerning my favourite topic ...Saturn.
Ok why the Moon pics....Norman Bergrun wrote in his book "The Ringmakers of Saturn" that the moon was towed into Earts orbit and how the Ringmakers grabbed on to the Mare Orientale.... <_<

Where did you see a Mars Volcano?

Originally Posted by Marduk

why the Moon pics....Norman Bergrun wrote in his book "The Ringmakers of Saturn" that the moon was towed into Earts orbit and how the Ringmakers grabbed on to the Mare Orientale.... <_<

Where did you see a Mars Volcano?

marduk.....so the "ringmakers" are ETs that put the moon in our orbit?

The picture below the moon appeared to of Olympus Mons which is the largest volcano in the solar system....it is located on Mars.

Castle-Bravo, here are the urls of the Moon (MareOrientale) pics.. see ...no Mars Vulcano...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Orbiter4_c1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/1..._Orientalis.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e...ileo-farbig.jpg

Originally Posted by Marduk

Castle-Bravo, here are the urls of the Moon (MareOrientale) pics.. see ...no Mars Vulcano...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Orbiter4_c1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e...ileo-farbig.jpg

marduk....when you compare these two pics closely, they do appear to be the same object.....however, the far pic is of poor quality and looks at first glance to be a positive structure.

Did ET tow the moon into position?

Also there is no need to cop such an attitude.

Originally Posted by Castle-Bravo354

Did ET tow the moon into position?

Make your own conclusions...

Originally Posted by Castle-Bravo354

Also there is no need to cop such an attitude.

Eh?!

Originally Posted by Marduk

The Ringmakers of Saturn




Transcript of Bob Dean talking about the Ringmakers of Saturn at the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, Spain, July 2009




In 1980, NASA -- Never A Straight Answer -- launched the Voyager program to Saturn. They launched this little mechanical space ship filled with cameras, film and so on. They wanted to go to Saturn because something had been going on in the rings of Saturn, around the moons of Saturn that didn’t make a lot of sense. Some anomalous events were taking place in Saturn, near Saturn, at Saturn.

So they launched the Voyager in 1980. The pictures they got back from Voyager was so stunning and so shocking that they just locked them up in a safe. Fortunately I met and developed a friendship with a retired NASA scientist by the name of Norman Bergrun.

Norman Bergrun worked for NASA for about 30 years. He was a technician, a scientist on the Voyager Program to Saturn in 1980. Norman decided, after waiting a number of years for NASA and the authorities to be candid and honest and forthright and tell what they really found up at Saturn. And Norman got so frustrated he wrote a book.

I think he couldn’t publish in the United States; no American publisher would even touch it. Norman Bergrun had to go to Scotland, for God’s sake, to Aberdeen, to get his book published. And he published it. He did succeed. He got his book. It’s a piece of genius; it’s a beautiful piece of work, and the things that they photographed near Saturn appeared in print for the first time.

This is the A-ring of Saturn. I think you’re all familiar with what Saturn looks like; it’s a beautiful planet. It’s a giant, but it’s got rings all around it. Well this is the A-ring and here’s the object that is self-luminous, obviously artificial, larger than our moon, that seems to be moving all around throughout the rings of Saturn and among the moons of Saturn; and Saturn’s got a couple dozen moons.

This object here, as I said, larger than our moon, moving all around apparently under intelligent control in the rings of Saturn. Now, try for a moment, if you can, to imagine the kind of a technology that is capable of constructing something larger than our moon, that’s artificial, that moves around wherever it wishes to go that has probably got several thousand guys inside. That is shocking to some people. Next picture , please.



Ah, this is the pièce de résistance, I guess, as the French say. Here you have another self-luminous, artificially constructed object, circular in shape, larger than our moon that is also moving here, there and everywhere throughout the rings of Saturn and among the moons of Saturn. You know, there has to be intelligence aboard.



But this is the one that really blew the NASA people on the Voyager program out of the water. This object – this is an object guys – is 2000 miles long. It’s 400 miles in diameter, and it is an artificially constructed… Norman calls them an electromagnetic vehicle. He says they appear to be making the rings. This is one of the rings of Saturn; I think this is B-ring. Bergrun says he thought they were probably making the rings. I said: Norman, you have to consider the possibility they may be mining the rings.

From 06:22 till end of sis vid ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1

I think the rings are probably rich in nutrients, in minerals probably, and an incredibly advanced civilization I think would work out some system of mining those rings for all the minerals up there and utilizing them because space is filled with wealth; energies of all kinds. They never have to dig another hole in the ground like we do down here. Space is filled with energy.

This is 2000 miles long and here on this end, there seems to be something like an exhaust or a flare of energy of some kind. It’s probably the result of engines of some type inside this thing; but, whatever it’s doing, it’s there, and it’s a recognition and representation of an advanced intelligence.

And that’s one of the things that they don’t want you to know -- that we are confronting and relating with an intelligence that’s so far beyond our own; we’re looking at and talking about what’s known as a Type II civilization.





From 0:33 till 0:42 John Lear talks about "The Ringmakers of Saturn" who
grabbed the Moon (see Mare Orientale) into Earths orbit. Interesting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p






Mare Orientale


Transcript of Kerry of PC interviews John Lear about Gigantic Motherships in Saturns Rings

[Immanuel] Velikovsky talks about the different proselynes and the different civilizations, that talked about the time when there was NO moon and then, when there were two moons and now we have one moon. This guy here, Norm Bergrun wrote the The Ringmakers of Saturn. It’s an EXCELLENT book. Norm Bergrun is VERY qualified; was for forty years a scientific part of both NACA and also Lockheed; retired from Lockheed, I think, about fifteen years ago. No more than that...

K: What’s NACA?

J: Ah, National Aeronautics, the predecessor to NASA.

K: Oh, really.

J: National Advisory Commission for Aeronautics.

K: I see, okay.

J: They were the predecessor to NASA.

K: Okay.



J: But when he retired, he somehow got some photos, some really good negatives of Voyager, which went by Saturn. And he set up a little lab in his house, and he started looking these and he ended up writing Ringmakers of Saturn. And what he shows you here is what he found in the rings of Saturn: three vehicles - space ships - the biggest of which is 31,196 miles long and 2,422 miles in diameter.

We’re talking about a fairly large spaceship there. Now Norm Bergrun, when he wrote this book at the beginning - it’s very good - he says “Now look, I’m going to be talking about some stuff that is very interesting, but you can’t skip a page, you can’t skip a word that you don’t know; you have to go from the beginning to end or you won’t understand what I’m saying.” And I did go from beginning to end. Now since...

K: Okay, but when was this written?

J: Ah, this would be 1986.


K: Ok, so it’s not that old.

J: No and I go see Norm...

K: And it’s talking about a huge spaceship. Who built the spaceship?

J: Who builds them?

K: Yeah.

J: We don’t know who builds them. But anyway...

K: Us?

J: No, no. We couldn’t build anything like that. We have some amazing stuff, but, we couldn’t do that.

K: Okay.

J: No, this is somebody else. But what the interesting part in the book and the reason why we’re getting here is because, at the end of this book, he starts talking about the moon and how the moon was towed into orbit. Because the people that towed, that, that operate that stuff and Saturn and also Iapetus, towed the moon into orbit - and he goes into here, explains exactly why he believes the moon WAS towed into orbit, and how it was and how they grabbed on to the Mare Orienel.

K: Who are you saying towed the moon into...

J: We don’t know. Whoever.

K: ...into place. So he doesn’t conjecture on who...

J: No.

K: ...you know, on what alien race, for example.

J: No.

K: I mean obviously, it’s an alien race. Henry Deacon, our secret source, has also substantiated that. The moon was towed into orbit... but have you got an idea what alien race was responsible for that?

J: No, absolutely not.

K: None?

J: What’s interesting here, another interesting thing, I see Norm every year because when I go do the UFO Expo West, which is the only one I do. He lives in Los Altos Hills. And he’s writing about Iapetus, and Iapetus is probably a spaceship too.

K: Okay.

K: So we’ve got to get in touch with this guy.

J: You better, because he’s on his way out. I saw him last September, he was not well, he was finishing up the book on Iapetus. But he wasn’t working on it every day...

K: Okay, was he a scientist?

J: Yes.

K: Okay, but did he, who did he work for? I mean, in other words, he’s government...

J: Give me a second here.

K: He’s in NACA, I understand that, but in a certain level, he’s revealing secret information.

J: No. As what?

K: Well, I’m just asking you. Isn’t this, wouldn’t this be secret?

J: No. No.
Thermodynamicist, Douglas Aircraft 1934-44
Aero Research Scientist, NACA/Ames Laboratory 1944-1956
Lockheed Missile and Space Company, Van Uys, Supervisor Flight Test 1956-68
Manager, Flight Test Analysis, 1958-1962
Manager Test Plans and Direction 1962-63
Manager Re-entry Test Operations, 1966...

K: Okay, but...

J: There’s all this stuff, how qualified this guy is...

K: Right.

J: This is...

K: Why are they letting him talk?

J: Why?

K: Why are they letting him do this? I mean, in other words.

J: What’s he saying? There’s a space ship that’s, that’s 31 miles long in the rings of Saturn?

K: So plausible deniability is....

J: Sure, who’s going to believe that?

K: Okay, okay, alright. So that’s...

J: So anyway, two years ago, at the UFO Expo West, I mean, that was SO interesting because number one, one of my lectures of Apollo 1, and the four people that were in it and there was Grissom, White and Chaffey and then there was a fourth guy - and he was part of the secret astronaut corps.

And the REASON that had to keep it secret is because if they, if the public were allowed to know there was a fourth guy in there, then they would not, want to know who he was. And there was no possible way that NASA could ever reveal that there was another guy in there, ‘cause they would have to reveal the secret space program. And the secret space program started in 1959 and they’re the ones who went to the moon in 1962. They went to Mars in 1966. All, everything we know is a cover for the secret space program.

K: Oh, yeah.

J: Anyway, when, when I give a lecture, if I have two hours, I always give an hour, and then let the public talk to me for an hour, because I’m going to learn more from then than they are going to from me. And one of Chaffey’s relatives got up and said, “John, you’re right, we’ve always known this, there was a fourth man, but we didn’t know who it was.” Now, I know who the name is, but I keep it to myself because...

J: Oh, right.

J: ...if somebody comes to me, you know and says, “I know who it is”. I know who it is. And it’s really interesting because his son is a current shuttle astronaut.

K: Oh, really.

J: Yeah. So anyway, I go to see Norm two years ago, and in talking with him I said: “By the way, the electromagnetic vehicle that towed the moon into orbit, where is it now”? And he said, “I think it’s on the back side of the moon”.

So when I got hooked up with Ron Schmidt, we started collecting photos on the back side of the moon and we found it. It’s in the crater Tsiolkovsky. And the story of how we did it was so interesting and how NASA covered it up. There’s like six different photos of Tsiolkovsky, as they tried to airbrush this electromagnetic vehicle out if the picture by making it an island.

And ah, but we got them. And we got two really good photos. One was discovered by a lady who works for us in Florida, and she discovered it on a thumbnail of Tsiolkovsky. And what happened, was when NASA was advertising this particular photo, you know, they airbrushed the big one, but, when they had the thumbnail, somebody looked at that and said, “Hey, I’m not going to take the time to enlarge that, take the vehicle out and put it down - nobody’ll notice it anyway.”

But we noticed it, and it’s great, and that’s where we got the photo of the EMV on the far side. And then, Apollo 15 flew over it, and they got some movies of it, and it’s just a quick shot but it’s really interesting.

You had me intrigued up until you posted that &#39;interview&#39;. It doesn&#39;t sound very intelligent which leads me to believe it&#39;s fabricated. Not to mention half the time it makes no sense whatsoever....Care to explain because as of right now, it seems to have virtually no relevance to the subject at hand. It&#39;s almost like you pulled bits and pieces from several interviews and through them altogether so as to appear like it&#39;s a well documented lengthy interview.

Bob Dean seems like a believable guy, why he endorses this theory is goofy. Maybe there are truths to the speculations and ideas, but I am not yet convinced.
I have read of all this before...

Interesting read and some good pic&#39;s. Im not going to get into what those objects are or how they got there because it would all just be suposulous to what has already been discussed and I would only be adding yet more unfounded speculation.

While I was reading the thread I was thinking (particularly after reading the susposive transmission post) how and why would an ET race build a base on Saturn? Then a thought hit me, well two really. The first one was along the lines of. Well we dont know how or in what form, or what necessiates life for an alien race to survive. Is it possible that there is an ET race that has developed on Saturn (or one of its moons) or moved there for whatever purpose. (These are rethorical as Im just relaying my thought process). The second one was along similar lines but it deviated slightly in that I thought maybe the ET&#39;s are just visiting or exploring. After all we have sent probes to saturn and all throughout the solar system. Could the ET&#39;s not be interested in us as such but more interested in one of Saturns moons (taking into account that the surface of Saturn is gas (unless Im mistaken) and it may not be suitible for a base and or civilization). If the Earth was on its way out and we had the know how to locate, travel to and colonise another planet wouldnt we be cautious if the one we found was in a solar system that already had an inhabited planet in it? I know if I was commanding any sort of exploration force and I came across our future home planet in a system already populated I would want to keep a low profile until I had distinished as to what level their technology was at and whether they where a peaceful or aggressive race. Given that these objects have apparently around saturn for many years and the new neigbours havent popped over to borrow a cup of sugar yet gives me the impression that if they are there, for whatever reason that they would be aware that we are here and either they have decided that we are not worth contacting, we are to aggressive to contact or they are merely exploring the galaxy and having spotted us have decided to hang around for a time to observe these silly talking monkeys from a safe distance.

I know this isnt really contributing to this conversation but I cant help myself. I like sharing my thoughts and whims on topics such as this. Wouldnt make much of spy would I LOL. Thanks for putting up with my prattle. Haz