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    Quote Originally Posted by bill.zen View Post
    What's this supposed to mean?
    It means you are free to believe in what you want. I think it is a silly conclusion. But I will not argue with you over it.
    In search of the real truth.

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    Well, It wasn't my intention to start an argument. Sorry you have come to that conclusion. The only response I have to your statement about "silliness" is this. What can be more silly than believing that little green men have come to this earth and are probing us in some rather undesirable ways. I don#t consider it a silly conclusion. It's called rational thought.
    Also, it's not my intention to argue with any person who has been appointed moderator here. For the fear that my honest opinions will be taken the wrong way. And for the fear that some people who "work" on this page take everything as a blow to their pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill.zen View Post
    What can be more silly than believing that little green men have come to this earth and are probing us in some rather undesirable ways.

    In my experience I have not seen, touched, or had conversations with any little green men...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivek242 View Post
    In my experience I have not seen, touched, or had conversations with any little green men...
    Oh, I am sorry. I meant to say grey. Grey men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill.zen View Post
    Well, It wasn't my intention to start an argument. Sorry you have come to that conclusion. The only response I have to your statement about "silliness" is this. What can be more silly than believing that little green men have come to this earth and are probing us in some rather undesirable ways. I don#t consider it a silly conclusion. It's called rational thought.
    Also, it's not my intention to argue with any person who has been appointed moderator here. For the fear that my honest opinions will be taken the wrong way. And for the fear that some people who "work" on this page take everything as a blow to their pride.
    Really.

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    you are my favorite poster here Soul.

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    Bill, I fully support your right to state your opinion. You may well offend though.

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    I do not think distance is any barrier to ET. Distance is only a barrier in OUR minds and our understanding.

    We often judge ET on what we believe to be true, or what we deem possible.

    I feel this is naive and somewhat misguided.

    It wasn't that long ago that we thought that going 30mph in a car would tear our bodies apart, or that man would never fly and if we were supposed to we would of been born with wings!

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    Perhaps there is a really good reason that we hardly ever see things that qualify as true UFO's. Maybe they are made out of advanced meta materials, something we are just beginning to understand or are so far away from understanding we cannot comprehend it. Perhaps these materials bend the light around them making them seem invisible to wavelengths our eyes and technology can detect. Perhaps a side effect, perhaps on purpose.

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    Some people claim to have interacted with ET/Aliens etc. That sits fine with me. I cannot prove either way that what they stating is the truth. It is a choice that we all make to believe or not to believe.

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    It is important to see and understand the nature of this forum and the nature of it's members. Sure there can be some pretty harsh critics and skeptics on the site, but equally there can be some pretty unbelievable (at least to me) stories appearing and some way out there (to my mind) belief structures as well.

    I have found myself rolling my eyes allot recently at both extremes. But I still like to read the posts and I find the majority of the content interesting and informative.... Even when I let out a slightly exasperated sigh to myself, at a particular comment or post, it is part and parcel of this forum, and a forum is the sum of it's members. We have a very good forum here and thus very good members, imho.

    One of the greatest challenges of being a member of a site such as this is the ability to, whilst holding a particular set of beliefs, being open enough to see and hear others stories and tales in a light that allows understanding and empathy. You may not agree 100% with the way someone feels about a particular experience, but it is vital that that persons feelings are carefully considered.

    From what I can tell, reading posts here, seeing docos, general statements and other websites about alien abduction; the whole experience is rather traumatizing.

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    We have had some people claiming to be messengers from advanced civilizations, actual aliens, hybrids, computers, you name it, we have seen it.

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    Do aliens visit earth? I don't know! I have never personally encountered anything to suggest that this is the case. I have however been part of this community for a long time and have a great deal of respect for fellow members who feel that they have had encounters.

    Such stories allow me to entertain the notion that Alien visitation is indeed possible, if not ultimately probable and according to many here a dead certainty.

    So, I sit on the fence not making a call either way, there is no way for me to know really.

    Closing my mind to the possibility doesn't feel right, whole heartedly accepting everything I read as gospel, well that is plain silly. But there is a zone in the middle, to keep the theme of the site going, lets call it the grey zone.....The place where people sit when they are not fully swayed either way, but are open to all possibilities.

    Some may say that this is denying the legitimacy of the claims of abductees, or the very existence of ET visitation. This is not the case. It is a state where all things can be possible.

    In fact, all things are possible given enough time, energy and resources.

    Does ET exist? Most definitely. Have they visited earth, I am not qualified to say having never experienced the encounters that others have.

    Do i believe the stories that people tell about abduction? I find some cases very troubling, scary, hard to rationalize, difficult to explain by conventional theory. Would I ever outright deny that we are being visited....? I could not state that with any level of certainty.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bill.zen View Post
    Oh, I am sorry. I meant to say grey. Grey men.
    You know, of course you would not see little grey man come down and probing us.
    Firstly, its very clear to me that you are trying to make fun on the subject.
    If we had solid evidence of this we wouldn't be discussing weather they are real or not on internet forums.
    I have not read a single abduction case where they probe their victims in their recutm ( the common part of the body that is associated with ), if they ever did, its rare. But its the same as our prostate exam, its required to study certain parts of the body.
    Most of your thoughts come of early Alien movies, which is where they are mostly based, now if you can research this subject proprialy and come back and say with a straight face that there are no such thing as E.T.'s and that Ships where people have been inside, drawn, photographed, video taped, reported, all around the world and everyday is a product of our imagination, then i don't know what to do with you.
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    If Adam and Eve were not real, then there was no original sin (the eating of the forbidden fruit).
    If there was no original sin, there was no Jesus who had to come back and sacrifice himself to forgive that original sin.
    So it really comes down to the fact that evolution disproves the basis of Christianity."

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    Perhaps the Pyramid shaped object that I saw, that was the size of 10 football fields, was piloted by the government! Along with the 10 other witnesses that were there at time this sighting occurred.. I tend to believe this craft (intelligently controlled) was NOT of this world! As a matter of fact .. it scared the living hell out of me due to its sheer size.

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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, have you researched all the credible information out there.

    By the sounds of things you are just basing your conclusion on one aspect ufo sightings.

    If you have researched any other areas i would love to hear your stance on them


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