Aliens Do Visit Earth

***SOUL-DRIFTER*** · 04-04-2011, 09:37 AM

After 45 years at this, that is my unmoving, rock solid, willing to put a wager on it, conclusion.
After there being so many threads about they do not come here or why they have never come here, the negative skeptics attitude threads, I felt it was time I do a thread about the opposite and why I conclude this way.
My conclusions are based very similar to Stanton Friedmans. It is not just one argument, but the sum total. The pilot, military police reports. The reports with multiple radar contacts and witnesses. Right angle turns at witnesses by radar and pilots. Testimonies from people of good standing. Personally talking to witnesses. The thousands of trace evidence cases. The silly explanations and lies to cover reports by the Air Force...some exposed by the hundreds of thousands of declassified documents. Cases like McMinnville, Oregon, Heflin and Trenton photos.
To conclude that every last report is either a misidentification, hoax or outright lie is ignoring the evidence or the result of not examining all the evidence. Most people that conclude that fall into the latter. Certainly the ETs would make up a very small fraction of UFO reports. But there has been plenty of damn good reports coming from airline pilots that involved other witnesses in other aircraft and radar returns..etc. etc. Karl12 has posted some good threads here with just these kind of reports and also about statements by prominent people pertaining to this subject. Here are some threads worth the read...
Credible Statements about the UFO/OVNI subject.

PRUFOS - 'Police Report UFO Sightings Organisation'

Interview with NARCAP´s Dr Richard Haines - UFO pilot sightings.

Quotes about the UFO subject from prominent people.

UFO Flight Characteristics ~ Right Angle Turns.

UFO -Physical trace evidence.

Stanton concludes...

The simplest answer is that it is the only conclusion merited by the enormous amount of evidence. In my lectures I review 5 large scale scientific studies and ask after each one how many have read it. Typically fewer than 2% have read any. I note the 5000-plus physical trace cases that Ted Phillips has collected from over 70 countries. In these people see a craft land and then take off leaving behind various markings on the soil such as burn circles, landing gear marks, small footprints, dried out rings of soil, etc. These are not crop circles where normally no saucer is seen. About 1/6 of these cases involve reports of small beings. I refer to the more than 1000 abduction cases that have been investigated by Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs, John Mack, and Raymond Fowler and the Betty and Barney Hill case as recorded by John G. Fuller. I review the outstanding work by Marjorie Fish clearly indicating that Betty’s star map makes sense and provides information not previously known to us. Furthermore, I have spent time at 20 archives, had a security clearance for 14 years, and find it perfectly obvious that crucial data has been withheld and many government people have lied with regard to UFOs. Saying some UFOs are of ET origin, of course, doesn’t answer other questions such as WHY are aliens coming here, WHY haven’t I seen one, where are they from, etc., etc.

Stanton Friedman - Articles: The UFO "WHY?" Questions (1)

**Crazee** · 04-04-2011, 09:48 AM

It's funny that I just logged on and saw this as the most recently posted in for alien-ufo discussion. I then I a double take because I had thought at a second's glance that this was the thread Alen's do not visit Earth.

One thing that pissed me off so much when I started up on a bit of paranormal research again was reading about some psychologist that had interviewed hundreds of abductees and concluded that alien abduction didn't happen. I can respect the opinion, but simply reading the script for the radio show that had aired some years ago showed me that it was just a ton of condescending bullshit and nonstop making fun of these people (the abductees) for being delusional.

But seriously. I've felt the same way about having read through so personal accounts and sightings. I was undecided about accepting that alien interaction definitely did happen until I met someone for the first time that gave me a detailed account of having needles stuck into him by short and taller gray beings.

The evidence is conclusive that something is going on with UFO's and alien's either from another dimension or another world (plausibly deep in the planet?).

**Achilles** · 04-04-2011, 09:52 AM

Great thread SOUL DRIFTER completely agree.

Seriously though the amount of work you have done for this site is outstanding, really appreciate it SD

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Thank you !

**Richard_Louis** · 04-04-2011, 10:15 AM

Great thread, thanks for making this.

**altria** · 04-04-2011, 11:10 AM

SD this is a thread that has been needed a long time and i thank you for starting it,I could tell that you had a lot of passion and conviction in your words,something the UFO community needs more of IMO.For me i know without a doubt,positively that UFO do exist.the pilots are not human and they been coming and going for most if not all of our history.I am stating something i cannot prove let alone verify.so i choose not to even try,it's a losing proposition.I wonder how many other people find thereself in this position as well.The event i went through was not a dream or telepathy but was rather my 4 natural seneses,sight,smell, touch, hearing.This event occured to me when i was 9 and both my step parents went through it as well.I have wondered my whole lifetime about this event but have yet get any solid answers.For me it's not a question of do they exist but rather for me i want to know where are they from and what is there agenda.I am of the opinion that nobody can truely answer that question.It's one of those things if you haven't been there then you can't really understand.

**Achilles** · 04-04-2011, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by altria

SD this is a thread that has been needed a long time and i thank you for starting it,I could tell that you had a lot of passion and conviction in your words,something the UFO community needs more of IMO.For me i know without a doubt,positively that UFO do exist.the pilots are not human and they been coming and going for most if not all of our history.I am stating something i cannot prove let alone verify.so i choose not to even try,it's a losing proposition.I wonder how many other people find thereself in this position as well.The event i went through was not a dream or telepathy but was rather my 4 natural seneses,sight,smell, touch, hearing.This event occured to me when i was 9 and both my step parents went through it as well.I have wondered my whole lifetime about this event but have yet get any solid answers.For me it's not a question of do they exist but rather for me i want to know where are they from and what is there agenda.I am of the opinion that nobody can truely answer that question.It's one of those things if you haven't been there then you can't really understand.

I understand the stigma associated with the unexplainable.Aliens ect, imo i don't need evidence i believe your story.

Hope you understand what i mean lol.

**txpatti** · 04-04-2011, 03:04 PM

Thank you Soul-Drifter

The evidence is just overwhelming from very credible witnessess! I was really getting irritated with some of these threads of people dismissing others experiences as being silly, made up or outright dillusionable, simply because they have never witnessed anything themselves! I applaud anybody who has the guts to share their experiences on an open forum as this, its not easy to look for answers when so many are real quick to dismiss you and call you crazy. I know I saw something I could not explain, it just verified what I always believed in my gut! So once again thank you SD!!

**prsev** · 04-04-2011, 03:56 PM

I can believe they visit us. Whatever I saw, it could have been a secret human aircraft or an alien one. I wouldn't even care if it was of extraterrestrial origin. But I saw it and it was real. The thing I don't like about most people who believe they're visiting us, is that they turn everything into an almost religious subject, like aliens are gods and not regular life forms like we are, and something that should be as normal as biology becomes metaphysics. They go on to talk about morals and stuff that resembles more Scientology than anything else. It's pure BS most of the time. And people don't like that anymore. Whenever a person talks about Telepathy, "different planes of existence", "zero point energy", or whatever, just because it sounds "plausible" and have no idea whatsoever about it, they immediatly lose credibility.

**bill.zen** · 04-04-2011, 04:05 PM

The supposed trace evidence has never been proven to be extraterrestrial in origin. And as far as right angle flight. There are craft being developed as we speak that can do amazing maneuvers. Just because something is not known to the general public does not make it extraterrestrial.

Back to the "trace evidence". As I said there is no evidence it is of extraterrestrial origin. I read an excellent article a while back that I went back and looked for. I paste some of it here for you to read:

UFO rings fits the general description provided by Hynek (1972) as “either as circular patch (or patches), uniformly

depressed, burned, or dehydrated, with an overall diameter of 9.1 m or more and 0.3 to 0.9 m thick (the inner and outer diameters of the ring differ by that amount, while the ring itself may be quite large).” The most frequently reported diameters are six to 9.1 m (Hynek 1972). In most cases, the rings persist for weeks or

months– sometimes years– and the interior of the ring or the whole circle remains barren for three to six months

(Hynek 1972; Howe 1999). Scientific explanations to the origin and implications of the UFO rings were reported by Condon (1968). He concludes, however, that the main problem with the UFO rings (CE-2) is the difficulty to establish as factual the claims that the rings or imprints actually were made by an extraordinary object or being. The existence of an imprint of odd shape, circular area of crushed vegetation or a barren spot often can be established. Its mere existence does not prove, however, that the markings were made by a strange being or vehicle (Condon 1968).

Fungal Diseases.– The alleged UFO rings I had personally seen can be explained away as hoaxes, meteorological effects, or damages to plants caused by natural factors (abiotic and biotic). Abiotic factors, such as chemical and physical soil effects on plant growth are extremely complicated, so that is difficult to describe the effect of one isolated factor and ignore the influence of others. Examples of abiotic factors include mineral nutrition imbalances (Evans et al. 1991), soil alkalinity or acidity, extreme temperatures, soil humidity imbalance, pollution, and over fertilization (Alexander 1991). The examples of biotic factors are diseases, like those caused by insects, nematodes, bacteria, fungi, and viruses (Agrios 1997).

Take turfgrasses for example. Many rings or patches in turfgrasses are caused naturally by fungal (and/or other microorganisms) diseases, which are strikingly similar to “unexplainable” UFO rings or crop rings. Fungi, which naturally occur in topsoil, may become a plant disease under certain favorable conditions—favorable to the fungus— such as stress, wounds, immunodeficiency, etc. (Alexander 1991; Agrios 1997). Fungal diseases such as: Anthracnose and Basal rot (Colletotrichum); Snow mold (Coprinus, Typhula); Red thread (Corticium, Laetisaria); Leaf spots, Blight, Foot rots and Melting-out (Curvularia, Drechslera); Blister smut (Entyloma); Powdery mildew (Erysiphe); Damping-off (Fusarium, Helminthosporium, Pythium, Rhizoctonia); Take-all or Ophiobolus patch (Gaeumannomyces); Root and stem rots (Leptosphaeria, Ophiosphaerella, Sclerotium); Rust (Puccinia); Brown patch (Rhizoctonia); Dollar spot and Snow scald (Sclerotinia); and Stripe smut (Ustilago) commonly infects creeping bentgrass, Kentucky bluegrass or Bermudagrass, among other turfgrasses (Couch 1995; Agrios 1997; Provey & Robinson, 2001; Nieves-Rivera 2001). The photos of diseased turfgrasses presented by Couch (1995), Evans (2000), Provey & Robinson (2001), and those of eyewitnesses of UFO rings (Fuller 1997; Howe 1999) are practically identical. Many of these fungal diseases form rings, spots, or circular formations similar to UFO rings. Curiously, the Powdery mildew caused by the fungus Erysiphe and the Damping-off of seedlings by Pythium produces a white powder or filaments which covers the entire blade of the grass, which remind me of the ‘Angel’s hairs’. These hairs are cobwebs or filaments which sublimate in a few seconds have fallen from the sky and are associated with UFOs.

Anyway, as I stated in an earlier thread. I am not here to cause argument or disruption. But it seems that some of the posts after mine have been trying to egg on an argument type situation by their negative nature. I'm sorry people feel this way. I have been called "close minded" by some here. But there is a fallacy to your argument that I am so. Has anyone here looked at the evidence against the so-called ufo invasion? If you haven't with an open mind then I would say that you may be as close minded as you try to make me out to be. It might be fun to come home at the end of the day from a hard days work and throw around tales of "ufo abduction". But in the end, we need to come to terms with this and realize that there are no visitations and that this is all just a spot of fun on many peoples parts.

**Bill100** · 04-04-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by bill.zen

The supposed trace evidence has never been proven to be extraterrestrial in origin. And as far as right angle flight. There are craft being developed as we speak that can do amazing maneuvers. Just because something is not known to the general public does not make it extraterrestrial.

Back to the "trace evidence". As I said there is no evidence it is of extraterrestrial origin. I read an excellent article a while back that I went back and looked for. I paste some of it here for you to read:

Anyway, as I stated in an earlier thread. I am not here to cause argument or disruption. But it seems that some of the posts after mine have been trying to egg on an argument type situation by their negative nature. I'm sorry people feel this way. I have been called "close minded" by some here. But there is a fallacy to your argument that I am so. Has anyone here looked at the evidence against the so-called ufo invasion? If you haven't with an open mind then I would say that you may be as close minded as you try to make me out to be. It might be fun to come home at the end of the day from a hard days work and throw around tales of "ufo abduction". But in the end, we need to come to terms with this and realize that there are no visitations and that this is all just a spot of fun on many peoples parts.

Have you found any "rational" explanation for Travis Walton case?