Thread: "Aliens" do not visit our trashy planet....

Originally Posted by prsev

Partially agree; we could make some analogy between distance and energy production for example. Today, producing 600 MW of energy is possible thanks to nuclear reactors. A hundred or so years ago, nuclear energy was just a theoretical possibility, and before that nobody was even aware of the idea of dividing an atom to obtain energy from it.

Now, we could say the vast distances separating star systems look enormous just as 600 MW seemed impossible to even consume a century ago, and that it's a matter of time to develop the technology necessary to travel so far in so little time. But the main difference here is that we aren't allowed to travel that fast, that's a fact. And there's no other way to travel through the universe but crossing through it (all those theories involving "spacetime bubbles" and whatnot are as real as string theory) with a finite, subluminal speed. Wormholes are a highly hypotetical chance, but we'd have discovered thousands already, since an object in space emitting particles wouldn't go unnoticed.

Thinking we'll ever travel so far is more wishful thinking that rational thinking, specially when we know the limits are out there, they've been proven already, they are real, and we can't beat them. I'd sure love to think our species will eventually reach Andromeda at reasonable speeds/time, but not only does that seem impractical (since there isn't much in Andromeda that is not here in the Milky Way) - relativity proves it to be impossible. And aliens aren't gods, so they have to deal with the same universal laws. If they're around here, it's because they live pretty near to us.

You sound no different. You go along with the idea until you reach what science today says what is and what is not possible. Science does not know enough to say with absolute certainty. To do so is ludicrus. It is no different than what scientist said what was and what was not possible 500 years ago. Do you think it will be much different comparative wise another 500 years from now? I do not think so.

Originally Posted by TwinTurboMatt

Believing the earth has been visted by ETs is just like relgion imho, it's only speculations and beliefs....

There is a major difference Matt. With the idea of visiting ETs...there is evidence for it. And that is not speculation nor simple beliefs as you seem to think. NO it is not proof, but there is evidence none the less. How you decide to view that evidence is up to you, but a UFO tracked on Radar, viewed by a pilot(s) seen and tracked doing sudden instant right hand turns at supersonic speeds...such reports from the 40s up to recent are not man made aircrafts, not Venus nor swamp gas nor a weather balloon. I know there are those that would argue otherwise and certainly we do have a lot of misidentifications...yes. But such reports not even getting into trace evidence nor testimonies is what fuels a good honest belief that some UFOs are ET crafts.

No one is calling you delusional, so please don't call anyone else delusional. I can understand you not believing in aliens. Granted, it's hard to believe in. But I think it is easier to believe in than most religions since there is hard evidence coming from many different people and cultures around the world. I think it is somewhat hypocritical of you to say that you don't want to stir anything up while calling us delusional at the same time. We want to hear what you have to say, but we want to be respected too.[/QUOTE]

i agree with you there, calling us delusional! bleh....i dont give a rats bleep if you dont believe , i know the truth , i have seen with my own eyes the truth so has my husband. therefor...its very real to me .

im NOT delusional....esh.

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For the members who think we are not being visited or that the distance is too great a barrier for visitation.Let's look at technology and put it in perspective.Captain Nicolas Joseph cugnot in 1796 invented something that would forever change the world.The first car and it had a top speed of 2 miles per hour.In 1829 the the steam drive car had been much improved and as a test of this new technology it was decided to make a run from London to Bath.This was billed as a record attempt as the first long journey using a mechanized vehicle at sustained speed.The trip had a couple of incidents,the first was a collision with the Bristol Mail Coach,then later it was attacked by a Luddite mob outside of Melksham and this strange new incredible machine had to be escorted into Bath under guard.The trip was a success and an average speed of 15 mph was obtained which was earthshaking speed.Do you think these inventors or citizens of the time could invision a time when the average person could travel at speeds of 65 70 80 mph.They would have scoffed at those claims.IMO i think it would be foolish for anyone to put limits on science,i think you will be proven wrong everytime,it's just a matter of time.As to the other matter lots of folks on this forum know we are being visisted,not a belief but knowing as a fact.I am one of those members.Now if you have reached your conclusion then you have the answers you are looking for and you need to seach no further.

Thanks for sharing your input!

Personally in my opinion I think it is rather narrow minded to believe that we have never been visited by an Alien species. After all, they have likely been evolving over millions, if not billions of years, and have probably developed shortcuts (that we would struggle to fathom) to visit our planet along the way. You only have to look at how far our "current" human civilisation has come in just the past 200 years. I'm sure that if we had even a million year head start we would be able to do the same thing now.

And as for our "trashy" planet, don't you think it is possible that Alien's might atleast find just a little interest in our abundance of life & minerals. Especially if they have been evolving for so long. They surely would have run their resources dry from wherever they originated from, perhaps even the resources of a multitude of planets. It could even be possible that planet earth contains something of value or interest to them that is available nowhere else in the entire universe.

If it came to the ultimate survival of their species, I am sure that they would have gone to whatever means necessary to strive for the required technologies to make such travel possible.

For all we know there are probably thousands of different types of advanced Alien species out there, with varying degrees of technology, which would only increase the chances of Aliens having ever visiting earth.

And it definately wouldnt surprise me if one of these Alien species even originated from our planet, and infact look alot like us!

Originally Posted by altria

For the members who think we are not being visited or that the distance is too great a barrier for visitation.Let's look at technology and put it in perspective.Captain Nicolas Joseph cugnot in 1796 invented something that would forever change the world.The first car and it had a top speed of 2 miles per hour.In 1829 the the steam drive car had been much improved and as a test of this new technology it was decided to make a run from London to Bath.This was billed as a record attempt as the first long journey using a mechanized vehicle at sustained speed.The trip had a couple of incidents,the first was a collision with the Bristol Mail Coach,then later it was attacked by a Luddite mob outside of Melksham and this strange new incredible machine had to be escorted into Bath under guard.The trip was a success and an average speed of 15 mph was obtained which was earthshaking speed.Do you think these inventors or citizens of the time could invision a time when the average person could travel at speeds of 65 70 80 mph.They would have scoffed at those claims.IMO i think it would be foolish for anyone to put limits on science,i think you will be proven wrong everytime,it's just a matter of time.As to the other matter lots of folks on this forum know we are being visisted,not a belief but knowing as a fact.I am one of those members.Now if you have reached your conclusion then you have the answers you are looking for and you need to seach no further.

Yep, see my earlier post

You do realize there are multiple places in our own solarsystem that aliens could exist? If they are "fish type" theres no reason to believe they would be building on land, either. Look how much we build underwater, for example.

Originally Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER

You sound no different. You go along with the idea until you reach what science today says what is and what is not possible. Science does not know enough to say with absolute certainty. To do so is ludicrus. It is no different than what scientist said what was and what was not possible 500 years ago. Do you think it will be much different comparative wise another 500 years from now? I do not think so.

Science works by "constructing" knowledge; whatever was supposed to be impossible 500 years ago came from ignorance in certain fields, not from misunderstandings. Differential geometry won't change, it's been "built" already, and general and special relativity, which are based in things like that, may change, but not enough to undo the most basic things already proven: you can't travel faster than light. If they didn't believe that, for instance, flying was capable in the past, it's because they did not know enough about aerodynamics and physics, and right now we know enough physics to understand faster-than-light speeds are impossible. So the difference is that we don't think it's impossible because we can't imagine it, but because we've already proven it to be so, using established theories. New theories evolve from old theories, they will discover new things, but can't debunk what's already established, which is the reason why they're so established. Einstein didn't debunk Newton's gravitation, since gravity does exist and it still depends on things like mass and distance — he just added to it, and one of the things he added was the impossibility of faster-than-light travel.
It's way more probable that long-distance travelling aliens have reached genetic technologies allowing them to live forever and so not worrying about the long trip, rather than them being able to travel faster than light. Don't get me wrong, I do know there are theories to travel faster than light like the Alcubierre drive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but they seem to be mere speculation, check out the difficulties of that method, it's not just that we can't imagine a way to mess with spacetime, it's that it violates very well established and proven laws, and we can't go against that just like we can't take energy out of nowhere, not even knowing virtual particles do indeed pop in and out of existence.

Originally Posted by Heavenbound

Just like I said in another thread, nonbelievers will not believe it until they see it. Here is a video that proves little grey men do exsist in my opinion...,
YouTube - DR. ROGER LEIR - The Turkey UFO Events

Thats so a fake