David Icke

**journey** · 07-21-2011, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by bart5050

There are no secret families running the world.

The closest that has ever come is when Kings and Queens controlled the worlds most powerful naval forces.
The historic period which inspired the phrase "The sun never sets on the British Empire."
The British colonial era which was waning when Hong Kong was aquired by britain.

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The rule of Kings and Queens over the worlds most powerful countries was drawing to a close before ww1.

For France it ended with the Napolianic Wars.
For Russia it ended with the death of the last Czar.

The royal famalies were once the power brokers of the world, but that was no secret.

Shadow governments.
Every modern world government has one.
They have to.

Presidents come and go.
Four to eight years and they are replaced.
There are projects governments undertake that last decades.
Legal structures have to continue.

People get tired of the guy who is in charge.
During the perod of Royal rulers, overthrow a king and chaos resulted until a new King established his rule.

Elections are a peaceful overthrow of rulers.
A way for the business of government to continue while leaders were replaced.

For the government to continue with business as usual while leaders are replaced requires a self sustaining entity.

The Kings or Queens were the law.
Presidents and Prime Ministers are subject to the law.

As such, the law continues no matter who is in charge.
It is run by Justices of the supreme court, attourney generals, Federal Judges, and heads of enforcement agencies.
The president appoints his cabinet, but the department continues no matter who is the appointed boss.

So there is a shadow government in place in all modern government systems.
It is run by people put in place by appointment.
They come and go, just like presidents, but their departments continue.

Revolutions and overthrow of Royalty was catastrophic for businesses and economies.
A self perpetuating legal structure of government allows business and economies to continue when leaders are tossed.

There is a shadow government, and every country that does not have one goes through the hell Libya is undergoing right now when leaders get tossed.

If you like anarchy and chaos, then I guess the shadow government is a problem for you.

If you like law and order and a bill of rights, the shadow government is required.

Bart
You speak of shadow governments as positive in theory but in practice they are not.

As sick of greed the world is, I see no shadow government,concerned for the welfare of its citizens.

Some secret-families are not longer secret, and not all of them are precisely royalty, in most cases they are the shadow governments.

David´s Icke theories would be more credible if the reptiles were not involved. this way, he ridicules an issue of extreme importance.

Maybe he is another misinformation agent from the elites.

**bart5050** · 07-21-2011, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by journey

Bart
You speak of shadow governments as positive in theory but in practice they are not.

As sick of greed the world is, I see no shadow government,concerned for the welfare of its citizens.

Some secret-families are not longer secret, and not all of them are precisely royalty, in most cases they are the shadow governments.

David´s Icke theories would be more credible if the reptiles were not involved. this way, he ridicules an issue of extreme importance.

Maybe he is another misinformation agent from the elites.

The rich and powerful have always had a lot of influence in the world.
Money talks, BS walks.

But, there is no secret elite running the world, never has been.
Everybody, including world leaders, are just stumbling and bumbling their way through the best they can.

Icke is FOS.

Why WW2?
Did the worlds elite get together and decide to hold a war?
Was Hitler just their puppet?
Why do they let NK continue to be run by a madman?

Was the death of the Kennedy's a part of the plan?

There is no scenerio of a worlds hidden elite running the show that could throw together anything as messy as world history.

There have been many pivitol points in history that turned on the decisions of one person.
Like Napoleon getting his military campaign bogged down in Russia.
Financing his war forced him to give up his dream of a global French power.
He had to sell the Louisianna Purchase to the US and it still wasn't enough to salvage his plan.

Just how long has your global elite been running the show?
Cause the evidence is, history is a chaotic mess.
It would be a lot more cohesive if there were a master plan.

Can you even name one person who is a part of this elite power house?

**Achilles** · 07-21-2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by bart5050

The rich and powerful have always had a lot of influence in the world.
Money talks, BS walks.

But, there is no secret elite running the world, never has been.
Everybody, including world leaders, are just stumbling and bumbling their way through the best they can.

Icke is FOS.

Why WW2?
Did the worlds elite get together and decide to hold a war?
Was Hitler just their puppet?
Why do they let NK continue to be run by a madman?

Was the death of the Kennedy's a part of the plan?

There is no scenerio of a worlds hidden elite running the show that could throw together anything as messy as world history.

There have been many pivitol points in history that turned on the decisions of one person.
Like Napoleon getting his military campaign bogged down in Russia.
Financing his war forced him to give up his dream of a global French power.
He had to sell the Louisianna Purchase to the US and it still wasn't enough to salvage his plan.

Just how long has your global elite been running the show?
Cause the evidence is, history is a chaotic mess.
It would be a lot more cohesive if there were a master plan.

Can you even name one person who is a part of this elite power house?

So anyone who isn't rich is talking bs then.

'No secret families ruling the world', ok then Bart never mind.

**bart5050** · 07-21-2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Achillesdude

So anyone who isn't rich is talking bs then.

'No secret families ruling the world', ok then Bart never mind.

Can you give us any names of these secret elite rulers of the world?

**KellyD** · 07-21-2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by bart5050

Can you give us any names of these secret elite rulers of the world?

i can give you 2 names......gates and rockefeller.

**pepe** · 07-21-2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by bart5050

Can you give us any names of these secret elite rulers of the world?

One of the group told your President to get a hurry on during him addressing congress,who would ever do such a thing..??

http://www.indepthl.com/?p=166

**bart5050** · 07-21-2011, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by KellyD

i can give you 2 names......gates and rockefeller.

Did Gates have a seat in the secret chambers of the rulers of the world when he was 17?
Or did he get it after he earned his vast fortune?

Is that what it take to get a seat in the inner chamber?
Lots of money?

What about the multi millionaires who lost their fortunes?
Do they loose their seats?

**bart5050** · 07-21-2011, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by pepe

One of the group told your President to get a hurry on during him addressing congress,who would ever do such a thing..??

Max Keiser: Goldman Sax are Scum » Indepth Learning - Web content mangement and learning services. Blogging about whatever interests me.

I agree that Goldman Sachs and a lot of other stock brokers are thieves.
Big money has always had big influence.
When all the big financial institutions went into failure and had to be bailed out, were they in danger of losing their seats at the secret rulers of the world table?

**pepe** · 07-21-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by bart5050

I agree that Goldman Sachs and a lot of other stock brokers are thieves.
Big money has always had big influence.
When all the big financial institutions went into failure and had to be bailed out, were they in danger of losing their seats at the secret rulers of the world table?

What gives this man..A member of the Goldman and Sachs group(can't be sure but i think he is),licence to hurry up the president..??

**bart5050** · 07-21-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by pepe

What gives this man..A member of the Goldman and Sachs group(can't be sure but i think he is),licence to hurry up the president..??

Because he is an impatient asshole?
He was with Merril Lynch I think.
And Reagon was getting spacey in his last years.

Does this make him the ruler of the world though?
Is that all you got?