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    The infiltrating to invade makes no sense at all.
    Human form is so desireable they want to make it their own!
    What a joke.

    I could come up with any kind of scenerio just as viable.
    Like this one.
    At sub light, decades to centuries for intersteller travel.
    Can't support a colony on technical level across that bridge.
    So you inhabit worlds by starting them off at cave man subsistance level.
    Let them develop their own technology over time.
    And the local biology migh be incompatable for food and germs.
    So you modify a local species to develop intelligence.
    Collect samples to assist in establishing intelligent species on other planets.

    Or this one.
    An off world bio engineering firm aquiring raw genetic material.
    One argument is that repeated abductions are unnecesary.
    One genetic sample, and you know all there is to know of a species.
    Wrong.
    Genetic switches and triggers have to be evaluated within their environment.
    So it would take a long term study to understand all the switches and interactions.

    Or this.
    To study and understand the emergence of civilizations and their biology.
    To understand how a primitive society develops on another world, is to understand our own emergence.

    I could come up with many possibilities that would make more sense than invasion.
    But one thing I am sure of.
    When you have absolutly no physical evidence analysis, anything you theorize has to be wrong.
    Cause you have no clue about what it is that you don't know anything about.

    Or this.
    Visions of alien abduction are built into our gene code.
    A mind trick evolution plays on us, just one among many others.
    A drive of developing technology as a competative, we need to catch up to a technically superior race, scenerio.
    Because competition is what drives innovation, and when none exists, nature provides an illusion that there is.
    Perhaps intelligence and technology is natures latest experiment to develop a species that can overcome extinction events.
    Our climate controlled nests store food, have fresh water and energy, waste disposal, and are weather resistant.
    We build better nests that any other species that has ever had to cope with climate change and natural disaster.

    When all you have is ancedotal and no physical evidence to test, it could be anything.
    Any conclusion you make is premature, and is almost guarenteed to be wrong.

    And Jacobs conclusions, make less sense than any one of dozens we could imagine.
    Why bother with conquaring by such a slow process.
    Superior technology rules.
    Enslaving us by erasing our technology would be simple.
    Erasing us as a species even simpler with superior biology.
    Would take about 6 months maximum.

    All of the above has to be wrong.
    Cause we don't have a clue.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

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    Bart, while I believe alien abductions might happen, and that Greys might exist, I agree with you that Jacobs' conclusions make no sense at all.
    Why would the Grays or any alien species want to invade Earth by infiltrating it with hybrids? IF the Grays exist, and if they were capable of creating fertile hybrids with another species genetics, they could just colonize another world without needing to invade ours.

    Julia, yes, I do think that what Jacobs said to Emma about wearing a chastity belt constituted sexual harassment at least, verbal sexual abuse at worst.

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    Sheer, if Emma's a disinformation agent, then I'm the queen of the Moon. The idea of Emma being a disinformation agent smacks of conspiracy paranoia.
    To me, Emma sounds like what she is.... a victim of hypnosis-induced False Memory Syndrome who has just realized that her so-called hypnotherapist is a paranoid quack and that at least some of her memories of alien abduction have been implanted into her by said quack.

    This case reminds me of the Satanic Ritual Abuse Scare and how all those so-called memories of ritual abuse turned out to be false. Virtually all of those so called victims of ritual abuse turned out to not only NOT be victims of satanic conspiracies, but they have false memories of said abuse that were completely fabricated during interrogations by investigators who BELIEVED that such conspiracies existed.
    And, yes, there are retractors among those ritual abuse victims who have come forth with the realization that those memories are indeed false.

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    Hi,

    Im new to all this and never hear of jacobs but I was informed of a lady called dolores cannon who is a past life hypnotist (I think that's her title) who has a few books out about her case studies. I'm currency reading a book on her first "UFO/alien" case study titled "keepers of the garden" so far it seems a very good and interesting read.

    Anybody else here read her material??
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    I haven't read Dolores Cannon's book.

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    While I don't exactly agree with his conclusions, I think that a lot of what he describes about the abduction experience is believable- hybrids, personal projects, et cetera. And replying to what someone said about why the Greys would want to make hybrids with humans, there are a few reasons why, all 'perhaps' reasons, of course. We could have the closest DNA or we could be the closest planet.

    Or if you're like me and you believe in the ancient astronaut theory, and that humans are a result of a genetic experiment, then they could be 'remaking' humanity again. That's just an opinion though, perhaps suited more for a science fiction novel. In any case, it's something interesting to think about.

    Anyway, about False Memory Syndrome, I'll remind you that he talks about memory confabulation and how a hypnotist must be careful not to make suggestions, et cetera, in his book. That's probably why I believe that a lot of what he says (about the abduction experience) is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie1 View Post
    Hi,

    Im new to all this and never hear of jacobs but I was informed of a lady called dolores cannon who is a past life hypnotist (I think that's her title) who has a few books out about her case studies. I'm currency reading a book on her first "UFO/alien" case study titled "keepers of the garden" so far it seems a very good and interesting read.

    Anybody else here read her material??
    No, but I've just looked it up and it sounds interesting...I'll definitely read it. Do you think it has any truth to it?
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    I'm not too sure yet as only on chapter 10, lol seems interesting and some of my own opinions and thoughts came out in the beginning of the book.

    I was informed of her other books "the convoluted universe (parts 1,2 &3)" and "the custodians- beyond abduction" but havnt got nor read them yet, but I will.


    This book I'm currently reading of hers (keepers of the garden) is written in a hypnotist way (basically what was said during hypnosis/past life regression session)

    I don't want to sound like a sales person but just passing on info for others to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rorechof View Post
    Are you then suggesting Carl Sagan et al are party to this man's ruination too?

    David Jacobs alleges his 'research' [sic] into the 'alien abduction' phenom indicates alien-human hybrids are secretly 'infiltrating' human society with the 'goal' being... Conquering The Earth...

    Just another 're~tired sad old man' who never made it to The Big Event giving it 'one last shot'?
    Maybe hoping to have his 'research enshrined' in a B Movie SciFi Thriller...

    I think so... ~rore
    He suggests its an integration program not a conquering the earth. You're exaggerating there, brah.
    His idea of integration and aliens (specifically Greys) trying to develop human emotions is nothing new. Again, we are picking at one possible fluke in the hundreds of cases he has researched. I'm not saying you're wrong and he's right, but I do believe you are going overboard and again his work is an interesting read and makes you think. Even if its all a lie, his theory is an interesting one and no one has any answers anyways. All we have are theories.

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    What the hell are you people babbling about. David Jacobs is the only one who is on to something. Past life regression into an alien who are you L.Ron Hubbard? or Alien genetic memory? You people cant see a foot in front of your faces. First of all, it has to be an integration or even a replacement project, they can totally take out your consciousness and put it in one of their hybrid bodies that look just like you. The advancements in stem cell research can grow you new organs. I am so tired of spirituality and all this horse crap mumbo jumbo, has any of you studied neurology, dendrite formations, the mimetic functions of the brain. You people are a bunch of sci fi nerds with no backing. Emma Woods is a disinformation agent. So many people out there are. The theories that make sense dont fly. so take your mantra and smoke it


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