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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe the Waiter View Post
    Not really. Why can't it have been digitally inserted?. Granted it could be a solid object in front of the camera but it could be a button sized object a foot away
    or an object the size of a bus up to half a mile away.
    Because the pixelation around the object match with the background perfectly.
    When an object is inserted in a image, there are anomalies in pixelation around the object.

    However. About the distance and size of the object, you might be right, it is hard for me to provide an answer.

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    It wouldn't make a goddamn if it was a real picture or video. cause every cynic and skeptic would scream from the top of their dumbass lungs it was cgi or fake Period
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    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    Because the pixelation around the object match with the background perfectly.
    When an object is inserted in a image, there are anomalies in pixelation around the object.

    However. About the distance and size of the object, you might be right, it is hard for me to provide an answer.
    And every good cgi artist knows this very well.
    Thats why there are cgi tools that duplicate this very well, if one can afford the better graphics tools, and knows how to use them with skill.
    One that does this very well is a clone tool that transfers the pixelation around real objects like birds to the inserted one.

    Quote Originally Posted by seen'um View Post
    It wouldn't make a goddamn if it was a real picture or video. cause every cynic and skeptic would scream from the top of their dumbass lungs it was cgi or fake Period
    That is correct.
    Because only a dumbass makes assumptions of aliens.
    Especially over something that dumbasses fake to convince others of what they believe but cannot prove.

    Thats why it is going to take real physical proof to convince anyone who has more than two cents worth of common sense.
    That would not be necesary if humans could always be trusted.
    Trusted to actually fully understand and be candid about everything they see.
    And trusted not to fake or embellish what they don't see.

    Since we are all dumbasses, I chose to be the one with at least 10 cents worth of common sense.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

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    I don't require the stinking truth or have to have a alien spaceship crash on my head to believe. I've seen them with my own eyes. That's good enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bart5050 View Post
    And every good cgi artist knows this very well.
    Thats why there are cgi tools that duplicate this very well, if one can afford the better graphics tools, and knows how to use them with skill.
    One that does this very well is a clone tool that transfers the pixelation around real objects like birds to the inserted one.
    Yup. It's incredibly easy to do...
    And price isn't much of an issue, since most owned personal copies of Photoshop are likely pirated, and even then, GIMP has pretty much most of the tools photoshop does, just without the price tag.

    The pixelization issue means squat, journey. It'll take anyone who has half a clue on how to use photoshop 5 minutes to replicate the "pixelisation" match you mentioned... 10 minutes max, and that's only if there's a massive quality difference between the original and the thing being inserted into the image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seen'um View Post
    I don't require the stinking truth or have to have a alien spaceship crash on my head to believe. I've seen them with my own eyes. That's good enough for me.
    Your personal reality is fine, and may very well be true.
    It takes more than this to convince the world at large.

    Can you describe exactly what you saw?
    How far away was it?
    For how long did you observe it?
    What behaviors can you describe?
    Time of day, light and weather conditions?
    Approximate date, and location?
    Shape, details, and motion?

    I am sure many here would be interested.
    And I am not out to debunk or judge.
    If no one had ever seen anything that convinced them, this forum wouldn't exist.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeno View Post
    Yup. It's incredibly easy to do...
    And price isn't much of an issue, since most owned personal copies of Photoshop are likely pirated, and even then, GIMP has pretty much most of the tools photoshop does, just without the price tag.

    I really like the Gimp lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart5050 View Post
    Your personal reality is fine, and may very well be true.
    It takes more than this to convince the world at large.

    Can you describe exactly what you saw?
    How far away was it?
    For how long did you observe it?
    What behaviors can you describe?
    Time of day, light and weather conditions?
    Approximate date, and location?
    Shape, details, and motion?

    I am sure many here would be interested.
    And I am not out to debunk or judge.
    If no one had ever seen anything that convinced them, this forum wouldn't exist.
    my sighting
    they were bout a half a mile away when they stop and hovered. the craft were a bright light blue in color and i didn't see port holes or any protruding top more like a discus they use in track and field only fatter/ thicker in the center.
    Last edited by seen'um; 01-22-2012 at 10:37 PM. Reason: added more commnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    So, you can take thousands of photos to a real ufo passing by, but it will be fake just because they did not want to land and start negotiations......Interesting!
    Journey, friend, c'mon, we've all been together long enough to know that photo's of ufo's are proof of ufos, but ufos themselves are not proof of alien visitation of earth.

    Unidentified Flying Object is not(should not be) a synonym for Inter Galactic Spacecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeno View Post
    Yup. It's incredibly easy to do...
    And price isn't much of an issue, since most owned personal copies of Photoshop are likely pirated, and even then, GIMP has pretty much most of the tools photoshop does, just without the price tag.

    The pixelization issue means squat, journey. It'll take anyone who has half a clue on how to use photoshop 5 minutes to replicate the "pixelisation" match you mentioned... 10 minutes max, and that's only if there's a massive quality difference between the original and the thing being inserted into the image.
    I have never assured the pics are from a real UFO, I have my reasons to believe these pictures are not precisely authentic, but not for any of the reason stated by Bart.
    But one thing I can say for sure, they are not edited, photoshoped or anything.

    Besides, there are ways to prove if an image has been manipulated after being taken, by reading the file metadata or something named like this.

    My point is to prove how easy is to discard any potential evidence or proof, just because the 90% of alleged evidence is fake. and not even bother to analize it seriously.

    Bart, I donīt think any testimony will convice you until you see them with your own eyes.

    In my personal experience I have witnessed of events that have no reasonal explanation, including the sighting of two large flying objects at least 300 mts away of me and other witnesses, who were perfectly identified as craft made by no human technology.

    So, I do not need the evidence you are looking for, I know they exist and this phenomena is real.

    However, I canīt be more agree with you of the large amount of dumbasses looking for their 5 minutes of fame or just looking to deceive other people.


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