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post May 26 2005, 03:48 PM
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I can't say his name or what he does but this is his email response to me. He works for NASA. Interesting, and I can't help but share it...


My own personal, non-government/honest, gut feelings:

I do believe that intelligent non-human ETs exist. I do not base this
belief on any specific knowledge/proof/information, but rather on
existing
scientific understanding and probability. (i.e. several billion
galaxies,
with a hundred billions stars in each, etc.) I do believe that
starflight
is possible, but I have no idea how it would be done in engineering
terms.
Again, I also have no specific knowledge/proof/information that
starflight
is possible, or that aliens have reached Earth, now or in the distant
past.

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post May 26 2005, 03:57 PM
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I use that statement with none believers. " 400 billion stars in our gaxaly and you think we are the only life" ?
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post May 26 2005, 04:15 PM
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sounds like an intelligent guy

usually people say something like:

"i believe aliens exist, BUT they arent visiting our planet"
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post May 26 2005, 04:37 PM
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Yeah, but he's still in the government/military frame of mind when it comes to this subject.
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post May 26 2005, 04:45 PM
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Does interplanetary travel involve any time shift?, I have heard that if it were possible for us to go faster than the speed of light. (Asfar as I know, matter can only approach this speed, and not go faster than it, is this true?)
And if the theory of light speed causing time shift is real, can anyone explain how this works?
Another theory I have is maybe they have found shortcut's through both space and time, that we only believe in, is science fiction, maybe they live real close to a rip in space or even know how to create a hole in space using antimatter, a substance our scientists can only imagine. Dont forget everyone were already starting to experiment with super conductors and we are advancing into technolagy at a rapid rate over the last century. It makes me wonder where were going to be in the next century.
Just think, what appeared to be science fiction in the rennaisance era, around the times of Leonardo and Gallileo actually are real now, such as flying machines, mechanical carts etc.
If the aliens are millions of years older than the human race, interstellar space flight has probably been around before our creation.
And anyone who believes were the only life in the cosmos must truly be very ignorant.
They obviously have no idea of the size of the universe. With it being infinate to our knowledge, I feel that it would be impossible for us humans to be the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe.
Its good to know were not alone, its good to know your out there.
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post May 26 2005, 04:50 PM
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Does interplanetary travel involve any time shift?, I have heard that if it were possible for us to go faster than the speed of light. (Asfar as I know, matter can only approach this speed, and not go faster than it, is this true?)
And if the theory of light speed causing time shift is real, can anyone explain how this works?


Now, I SERIOUSLY don't believe in time shifting and time traveling...
going faster than the speed of light wouldn't be moving forward in time,
it would just be RACING the light

Anything can race anything, but it still doesn't count as time shifting
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post May 26 2005, 05:03 PM
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Thanks Ive always been curious about this. Someone told me that if you travelled faster than light in one direction and then done a "u" turn and came back, depending on how long you were travelling would determine how many years go past on earth, I think its something to do with (E = Mc squared), well im not exactly sure, but it involves Physics and Einsteins theory of relativity.
But I agree Deathberry, it just dosn't make much sence.
So the dood with the white hair and bright blue eyes who knew exactly when the shuttle was going to disintergrate, just knew the future without ever going there, and how then do you describe de-jar-vu (The feeling of either being in the exact same spot or experience the exact same thing twice even though whatever it is, only happens once. The stranger also gave me a Tektite but introduced the rock as a pebble from space.
Im pretty sceptical, but not ignorant to facts.
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post May 27 2005, 06:57 AM
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The theory is that, as one approaches the speed of light, time slows down. That means, if you took a ride on a ship travelling near the speed of light, you would perceive that only a short period of time has elapsed. Normal time, however will have progressed hundreds of years. The indication would be that a person travelling on such a ship could travel immense distances within his/her lifetime. Only problem is, everyone and everything you ever knew would be long gone by the time you returned. Pretty high price to pay.

If you are going to travel interestellar distances, the only practical way is to find shortcuts. This is why you always hear people talking about warps in space. Instead of travelling along the "surface" of space, you cut directly across the warp. There may also be interdimensional shortcuts too. You pop into Dimension X which could somehow cut across trillions of miles of normal space in perhaps no time at all.

It is certainly possible that, given sufficient time, an intelligent species could solve the daunting problems inherent in developing and mastering such technology. The question is, has any species done it and, if they have, have they used it to visit Earth? I know most of us here have already accepted an answer to that question, but is that answer indeed the correct one? Humans have immense capacity for self-delusion - they see things and believe things for all kinds of faulty reasons. Still, I hope that, amidst all of the really bad evidence we have been presented, there's still a few cases that really and truly show that the neighbors have come calling.

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post May 27 2005, 07:22 AM
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I can't say his name or what he does...

Janitor? Or maybe he runs the giftshop?
..but this is his email response to me. He works for NASA. Interesting, and I can't help but share it...

My own personal, non-government/honest, gut feelings:

Actually, his views, despite how you have billed them, do not seem out of step with mainstream opinion at NASA. Even I in my capacity as a paid Illuminati debunking robot will admit to holding similar views.
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post May 27 2005, 07:26 AM
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(Skeptical...)
It is certainly possible that, given sufficient time, an intelligent species could solve the daunting problems inherent in developing and mastering such technology. The question is, has any species done it and, if they have, have they used it to visit Earth? I know most of us here have already accepted an answer to that question, but is that answer indeed the correct one? Humans have immense capacity for self-delusion - they see things and believe things for all kinds of faulty reasons. Still, I hope that, amidst all of the really bad evidence we have been presented, there's still a few cases that really and truly show that the neighbors have come calling.

S


We arent the first intelligent lifeforms in this universe and we arent going to be the last. before the first man intelligent lifeforms were wizzing around in space using these loop holes in space to get around.

"has any species done it and, if they have, have they used it to visit Earth?"

Yes of course they have "done it". they probably did it before life on this earth existed at all. and they probably do visit earth, why not? I know we would visit other planets with life on if we could.

the second we start sending manned missions into space we're going to use these loop holes in space to visit other planets and spy on them. even collect "samples" and study them.. just like "they" do to us. See thats what makes me laugh.. Everyones so quick to say aliens wont visit our planet and abduct us to do studys on, but, if we had the technology to visit other planets with life on thats the first thing we'd do.. we'd start abducting things and study them.
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post May 28 2005, 04:01 AM
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Yeah, but he's still in the government/military frame of mind when it comes to this subject.




Yeah I think they are so trained and have it ingraved in their minds to not saying anything that might incriminate them, get them in trouble or come back to haunt them. smile.gif So they choose their words carefully at all times.

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post May 28 2005, 04:17 AM
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Does interplanetary travel involve any time shift?, I have heard that if it were possible for us to go faster than the speed of light. (Asfar as I know, matter can only approach this speed, and not go faster than it, is this true?)
And if the theory of light speed causing time shift is real, can anyone explain how this works?
Another theory I have is maybe they have found shortcut's through both space and time, that we only believe in, is science fiction, maybe they live real close to a rip in space or even know how to create a hole in space using antimatter, a substance our scientists can only imagine. Dont forget everyone were already starting to experiment with super conductors and we are advancing into technolagy at a rapid rate over the last century. It makes me wonder where were going to be in the next century.
Just think, what appeared to be science fiction in the rennaisance era, around the times of Leonardo and Gallileo actually are real now, such as flying machines, mechanical carts etc.
If the aliens are millions of years older than the human race, interstellar space flight has probably been around before our creation.
And anyone who believes were the only life in the cosmos must truly be very ignorant.
They obviously have no idea of the size of the universe. With it being infinate to our knowledge, I feel that it would be impossible for us humans to be the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe.
Its good to know were not alone, its good to know your out there.



Yup, I believe it's possible. smile.gif The Burmuda Triangle could be one of those rips, doorways or shortcuts to other deminsions or other times etc. Also it's true about the speed of light which is also the speed of information. the speed at which the planet processes and recieves information. When you go faster than the speed of information, then you can surpass information that has already reached where we are now, or that has already been processed, when you do that, time goes backwards for you because you are now traveling faster than the information or activities that have happened, which means you pregressivley move towards the old information or back in the past. The weight mass problem is a barrior that has to be penetrated before that can be achieved though. Once people find a way around that barrior then you will move faster than the events that the earth has already recieved or processed to a point in time where the old stuff has not been recieved or processed yet which is the same as going back in time. smile.gif

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post May 28 2005, 04:33 AM
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Now, I SERIOUSLY don't believe in time shifting and time traveling...
going faster than the speed of light wouldn't be moving forward in time,
it would just be RACING the light

Anything can race anything, but it still doesn't count as time shifting



LOL!!!!!! I know it sounds funny, but going faster than the speed of light or speed of information will take you back to the information that the planet has already recieved and you will begin to travel faster than that information which takes you back to places in time where the information of the past has not been processed or recieved yet. You will begin to travel faster than the speed at which things happen or occur. Once you pass that barrior, you will begin to go backwards because you have surpassed the speed at which things happen and you will arrive at a point in the past where what happened has not been processed by the planet or universe etc. and what happened then becomes for you what's happening now. smile.gif

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post May 28 2005, 04:46 AM
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The way the shortcut goes is that someone travels back in time by surpassing the speed of light and they take with them somekind of deminsional porthole, they leave one opening or doorway at a certain point in the past, then they either take the other end or opening and put it in the present, or someone from the present holds the doorway or keeps it in the present then when you walk into that porthole or doorway you instantaneously step into the past and when you go through the other door you step back into the present. That could be what the Bermuda Triangle is. smile.gif Like an interdeminsional doorway or porthole thing. Then you don't have to do all of that traveling past the speed of light to go back in the past each time, you only have to do it once and leave the doorway thing there. smile.gif

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post May 28 2005, 05:04 AM
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Another thing some people believes is possible is when a heavy mass of some sort sits on the space time continuum like a heavy book or something on a blanket and when that happens the two edges on either side of the book will come close to each other or will even touch each other. Some people thinks that may have happened and when it does you have the two sides (of time) touching and you are able to look into the past or future were the two edges meet. Some people think that may happen when they suddenly and unexplainable see a scene from the past show up out of nowhere then disappears, like there were stories people told of seeing like mirage type things of scenes from the past that then disappears shortly, some have even photograped some, others say they were driving r walking and suddenly like accross the street was a scene from the past with cars and how people dressed back then, then it disappears, or someone said on a freeway him and his friend were driving and suddenly saw a real car form the 50's with the mother and daughter dressed like the 50's in the car the lady and child looked at them like they saw ghosts the same as how they looked at the woman and child, he said when he passed them and looked back, they were gone out of the blue just as mysteriously as they appeared. They had both seen the woman in the car, those could be momentary times where something heavy a mass in space brought the two edges close where they touched briefly. It's all very interesting. smile.gif

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post May 28 2005, 11:01 AM
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To Rose: One can not travel as fast/faster than light in vacuum, so going back in time is out. There is no barrier. It just simply can't be done for matter to travel at/faster than light in vacuum.

As for aliens visiting us, it requires all of these very uncertain circumstances:
1: There has to actually be life somewhere else
2: This life will have to have survived through the ages of the universe, dodging meteors, cosmic radiation etc.
3: This life will have to have evolved a species whitch has a fairly evolved intelligence
4: This life will have to have survived itself (just look at how self destructive we are)
5: This species will have to find us somehow (now this is where believers ignore the size of the universe). We must also be so close to these species that our planet looks like it's alive. Remember that light from our planet has to travel to their telescopes. And if you are far enough away from earth and look at it, it would still look like a ball of molten lava for them.
6: This life will have to have developed technology that allows for them to actually get here in a short enough time for us to still be here.
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post May 28 2005, 05:19 PM
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If they're 25,000 years more advanced than we are, then all those things you mentioned are easily possible. All we know as humans is our own reality. What is there are much more advanced realities?
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post May 28 2005, 05:31 PM
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I think the only way we could be found is by accident, like some sort of lost ship passing by happens to find us, but those odds are extremely small.
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post May 28 2005, 05:37 PM
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Not if these ETs are 25,000 years ahead of us. Think outside your reality. It's the only way to understand.
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post May 28 2005, 06:40 PM
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The existence of extraterrestrial intelligence is essentially plausible, and I believe in the possibility. It is also plausible, based on the limits of our knowledge, that the possibility for interstellar travel exists and that this has been successfully exploited by a more advanced intelligence. However, if such a race were covertly observing humans, I think the probability of our knowledge of such occurrences is vanishingly small without their explicit intent. Others have suggested that UFO sightings are to 'soften up' humanity to their existence before they finally reveal themselves, but I have yet to be persuaded of the validity of any alleged close encounters.
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